radd Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 i just read a post by someone about the most over rated golfer. when mentioning palmer he for 1 calls him a cheat. but worse he describes the game of golf as being a game based on luck. ok luck is involved but lets face it luck evens its self out over a year or a week maybe even a round. How can someone who truely plays the game of golf believe that luck has a major part to play in who wins. if this was the case tiger jack and arnie must all be VERY VERY LUCK. Please tell me everyone agrees with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillypete Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 its like poker or blackjack... for us novice its a lot of luck, sure we know what to do and when to do it but the luck factor is really the difference between having a good day and just doing alright. For the pros luck is barely even a factor. When I play pool I consider it part luck if I get the ball to go where I want to... for a pro there is no luck at all. to say pro golf is all luck one must have there head so far up there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primo Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 There is a great deal of luck involved in professional golf. Don't get me wrong, I appreiciate the skill involved with professionals. However the difference between winning the tournament and 2nd place involves luck. Top 10 finish is skill, winning always involves some luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTLam Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Are you sure? Then what is my lucky putter, lucky hat, lucky pivot tool, lucky ball marker, lucky socks, pants, shirt, glove.... etc.... I always thought they helped me play a better game? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfGuru Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 My dad always says you gotta you gotta be good to be lucky and you gotta be lucky to be good 8) There is the skills of the players and then there is the odd "lucky" bounce and what not. But without the skill each of them have they would need one big s**tload of luck to do what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe295 Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I have on certain days managed to beat "good", while I have never beaten "lucky"....but if the other guy is "good" enough I wind up getting my @** handed to me most of the time :oops: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboy Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Larry Mize would never be where is is today if it wasn't for luck, there are others and luck plays just the same part in the Pro game as it does for us. Luckmis a constant as it has nothing to do with skill. Woods has had more than his fair share of lucky breaks on the road to victory... when he's in the trees he never seems to be totally blocked out. The Pros also can bail out into grandstands, the crowds where rough is trampled down so to a certain respect the luck is built in for Pros, ideally the should be playing more shots from worse-off positions... people always forget that. One surefire way to success is to make sure you are so good that the others can't get near you but the lucky ones might. And no matter how good you are, you can't buy or practice luck. Until you've came up against it you can't quantify the gutting feeling extreme luck has. When you're facing up a 15ft eagle putt and your opponent cans a 150 yd fairway bunker shot.. you are shattered, it's happened to me and no matter how good you are you'll always miss that putt! YTou can factor in 'Good' and plan for that in your strategy but luck you can't... it 's what makes golf what it is. Yeah Greg Norman has choked a fair bit but I believe the outrageous luck against him early in his career shattered his self belief making him more prone to choking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radd Posted May 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 im sorry but for every good bounce there is a bad one people.to say u need luck to come 1st is a lie look at tiger that mean he is lucky.im sorry but im right here luck is a concept thought up by human that excuses mistakes.because u can say it bounced right and went in a bunker but then why were u near the bunker i n the first place.and then there is when the ball is heading for a bunker and bounces left and misses it.im sorry but tiger was winning cause he is good. its fair to say that bad luck may stop u from winning if it occurs on the last hole but and its a BIG but the person who then wins because of ur bad luck will no doubt have had bad luck earlier in the tournament. talking about poker if your read phycology of poker you will read that denail is a strong human action. and that luck is just people denaying the truth,in golf denaying that they couldnt have change what had happened because luck was against them. sorry guys but luck as we call it is a part of life its equal bad and good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikemike Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 We know luck exists........didn't you guys see Ben Curtis win the Open?? :lol: 8) :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboy Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Sorry to burst your bubble but Tiger isn't winning, Serigo is winning, Vijay is winning, Woods is just poo-poo! The putts just aren't dropping, he's missing fairways and his recovery shots arent' finding the green. Given he's been d**king about with his swing but I'm sure Tigers putting stroke hasn't changed much since his heyday he hasn't had any major eye surgery and still reads putts the same way, so if technically nothing has altered then it stands to reason he has ran out of luck. If his putting mechanics is a constant but the results change then you can't blame technique, equipment and so on... it's got to be luck. Variation in the remainder of Woods putting stroke is outwith his control , you can call that variation whatever you want, most people call it 'LUCK'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaminSam Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I think it was Gary Player who said "The more I practice the luckier I get". There is a lot of truth to that. The better one is the more chances are for putts to fall, etc. but there is probably a point of deminishing returns also. Hence Pro's tend to have what appears to be more luck than lesser skilled golfers. In golf and life if you are prepared for the situation and execute others view that as luck while being prepared probably attributed more to your luck than just shear luck. IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radd Posted May 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Sorry to burst your bubble but Tiger isn't winning, Serigo is winning, Vijay is winning, Woods is just poo-poo!The putts just aren't dropping, he's missing fairways and his recovery shots arent' finding the green. Given he's been d**king about with his swing but I'm sure Tigers putting stroke hasn't changed much since his heyday he hasn't had any major eye surgery and still reads putts the same way, so if technically nothing has altered then it stands to reason he has ran out of luck. If his putting mechanics is a constant but the results change then you can't blame technique, equipment and so on... it's got to be luck. Variation in the remainder of Woods putting stroke is outwith his control , you can call that variation whatever you want, most people call it 'LUCK'! im sorry thats crap we all no that when we r swinging good it doesnt stay that way it changes putting is the same the greens on tour r not about luck.woods putting stroke use to have a small amount of wrist hinge.now there is less. im sorry but ur just plain wrong woods isnt just s**te he is still in top tens and to say sergio is winning is a bit s**te he has won once.so has woods. u r just trying to put ur ability down to the fact the pros have more luck than u. wake up these guys r amazing. even a bad woods with the worst luck in the world would beat u and me. get a grip mate that is a radiculous comment. Woods has run out of luck. hahhahahahahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I believe it was actually Jack who said "The more I practise, the luckier I get." If someone is a hack, luck most likely is a "one-hit-wonder"; for a skilled professional luck is purely based on skill. The better he is, the luckier he might get. It could be the difference between a big and not so big paycheck. (just look at the bad luck Maggert had two years ago at the Masters. Hitting himself while trying to get out of a bunker, cost him the tournament.) haribo P.S. Radd, on a personal note ... after your last pleasant and insulting PM you still owe me an apology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboy Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Hey if I had galleries bouncing my ball back onto greens and 100,000 people tredding the long rough down just off the fairways I think I'd give that bitch Woods a real red ass on the course. The really wild (Phil M, Woods) don;t get punished as bad 30 yds offline off the tee as the guys who miss the fairway by 3 feet Your crazy idolization and placing TW on a pedestal is the reason he's dominated for the last few years. Everyone was s**t scared to make a challenge and the field always back pedalled more often than Woods actually pulling away, go and check the stats. there will be a lotof 73's and 74's for the 2nd, 3rd placers The tour has the measure of him, under pressure is swing is cracking, a stiffer challenge and he's wilting now. It's easy to win when the chasing pack are choking and falling back, the true measure of a great is winning when your back's against the wall, Duel in the Sun, Waston and Nickalus at Troon.... Pirce and Ballesteros at Lythm.... any other golf tournament Nick Pirce would have won it out the park but the golf was of the highest calibre and they went toe to toe with Seve just pipping it. Don't see much of that on tour nowadays do you, that's where the lucky breaks actually win you the big prize instead of guys choking it like last week and throwing the play off at Sergio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radd Posted May 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Hey if I had galleries bouncing my ball back onto greens and 100,000 people tredding the long rough down just off the fairways I think I'd give that bitch Woods a real red ass on the course. The really wild (Phil M, Woods) don;t get punished as bad 30 yds offline off the tee as the guys who miss the fairway by 3 feetYour crazy idolization and placing TW on a pedestal is the reason he's dominated for the last few years. Everyone was s**t scared to make a challenge and the field always back pedalled more often than Woods actually pulling away, go and check the stats. there will be a lotof 73's and 74's for the 2nd, 3rd placers The tour has the measure of him, under pressure is swing is cracking, a stiffer challenge and he's wilting now. It's easy to win when the chasing pack are choking and falling back, the true measure of a great is winning when your back's against the wall, Duel in the Sun, Waston and Nickalus at Troon.... Pirce and Ballesteros at Lythm.... any other golf tournament Nick Pirce would have won it out the park but the golf was of the highest calibre and they went toe to toe with Seve just pipping it. Don't see much of that on tour nowadays do you, that's where the lucky breaks actually win you the big prize instead of guys choking it like last week and throwing the play off at Sergio. when woods won the masters to complete the grand slam or tiger slam his swing didnt crck under pressure when ernie and phil were chasing him. the thing about bad shots gettin good lies i agree and i disagree.if u hit 1 bad shot then yes but every player will prob hit 1 bad shot.tiger is hitting lots at the moment(i feel because he is trying to coach himself) but he isnt always getting good lies some are awful.luck evening out. it happens to everyone we only notice it cause we only see the big names to a point addressed earlier ben curtis wasnt lucky to win the open. he played 4 rounds better than anyone else. simple. he may have had good luck at some point but so will all the players. Links golf is based on that.some people think links is unfair that way but how can it be every1 plays the same course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboy Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 I think a tricked up links course would always play tougher than a tricked up US course (Pebble in the wind maybe, the old course is a little too short and wide open) Remembering Troon when the fairways were 20 yds wide with waist high jungle either side, Bermuda is one thing but when the grass tangles round your grip and you can't get the club into the back of the ball, that's real punishment Carnoustie is a real bitch but in some ways it forces the pros to play more conservatively, the rub of the green can be a much bigger factor. It's more about the number of bad shots your DON'T play rather than the number of good shots you DO play. Personally I think it's more exciting because we see a part of the game that the pros never really practice, hacking it out of the heavy bundi. Yes Tiger can snap hook 4 irons off the pine needles under low hanging branches but it's good to see him trying to chop sideways out of the real bad bush. All of us amateurs can relate to that, birdie barages menas the course is playing far too easy. I don't like it but I think sponsors like it for viewing figures. Golfing purists would like to see winning scores just under the par instead of 19 unders and 59's on tour I bet the money order would look a lot different if that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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