l8braker Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 I've seen some awesome pics of custom Miz Japan irons/wedges here and am considering ordering a set. I know their quality control is so much higher than Miz US when it comes to specs but how about durability? I had a set of MP14's for about 3 yrs and beyond the usual bag dings, the chrome started to peel and rust on me. On the other hand, I also have a set of Hogan Redlines that held up pretty well compared to the MP14s - bag dings but no peeling/rust issues even on my 8 iron which I've hit off of my share of desert hardpan/cartpaths. A buddy of mine has had a set of MP33s for 2 yrs and they look worse than my Hogans - they're already peeling. I love the Miz feel and the custom options are great but I don't want to spend the money on something that'll look 8 yrs old in 2 yrs (if I keep'em that long :wink: ) While I'm at it, how durable are the Gauge, Tourstage or other Japanese forgings? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 I've seen some awesome pics of custom Miz Japan irons/wedges here and am considering ordering a set. I know their quality control is so much higher than Miz US when it comes to specs but how about durability? I had a set of MP14's for about 3 yrs and beyond the usual bag dings, the chrome started to peel and rust on me. On the other hand, I also have a set of Hogan Redlines that held up pretty well compared to the MP14s - bag dings but no peeling/rust issues even on my 8 iron which I've hit off of my share of desert hardpan/cartpaths.A buddy of mine has had a set of MP33s for 2 yrs and they look worse than my Hogans - they're already peeling. I love the Miz feel and the custom options are great but I don't want to spend the money on something that'll look 8 yrs old in 2 yrs (if I keep'em that long :wink: ) While I'm at it, how durable are the Gauge, Tourstage or other Japanese forgings? Thanks. I don't know if the 14's have a copper underlay or not but i would suggest Iron head covers for a set of custom mizzy's, I have had mine for a couple months and not a single ding due to the head covers, I also have a set of U.S retail MP30's which i didn't use head covers and they are all dinged up. It all depends on how you take care of your stuff and usually the with the hefty price of Japanese Irons people tend to baby them. Another issue is several years ago, mizuno moved their plant to Cambodia or Bangladesh or somthing and had to train an entire new staff of foreign workers, I have heard from many that in the last 2 years mizuno has really been back to up to par or even birdie for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfdr Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Do you have any pics of the new wedges ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Do you have any pics of the new wedges ? Just these: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMMike Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 I don't know if the 14's have a copper underlay or not but i would suggest Iron head covers for a set of custom mizzy's, I have had mine for a couple months and not a single ding due to the head covers, I also have a set of U.S retail MP30's which i didn't use head covers and they are all dinged up. It all depends on how you take care of your stuff and usually the with the hefty price of Japanese Irons people tend to baby them. Another issue is several years ago, mizuno moved their plant to Cambodia or Bangladesh or somthing and had to train an entire new staff of foreign workers, I have heard from many that in the last 2 years mizuno has really been back to up to par or even birdie for that matter. Chris, are you serious? I thought Mizuno Japan = Made In Japan, not Cambodia, Bangladesh, or something! I thought only TM Japan was out-sourcing their forgings to China and surrounding countries. Hummm, so all custom orders from Mizuno Japan really means another country from the Asian continent - even the forgings that create Tiger's irons? I guess their Grain Flow process could create some consistency whether the fires are in Japan or Bangladesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 I don't know if the 14's have a copper underlay or not but i would suggest Iron head covers for a set of custom mizzy's, I have had mine for a couple months and not a single ding due to the head covers, I also have a set of U.S retail MP30's which i didn't use head covers and they are all dinged up. It all depends on how you take care of your stuff and usually the with the hefty price of Japanese Irons people tend to baby them. Another issue is several years ago, mizuno moved their plant to Cambodia or Bangladesh or somthing and had to train an entire new staff of foreign workers, I have heard from many that in the last 2 years mizuno has really been back to up to par or even birdie for that matter. Chris, are you serious? I thought Mizuno Japan = Made In Japan, not Cambodia, Bangladesh, or something! I thought only TM Japan was out-sourcing their forgings to China and surrounding countries. Hummm, so all custom orders from Mizuno Japan really means another country from the Asian continent - even the forgings that create Tiger's irons? I guess their Grain Flow process could create some consistency whether the fires are in Japan or Bangladesh. Almost every brand is made in asia, Im not sure 100% but maybe together we can figure this stuff out, I will make a thread and if everyone contributes perhaps we can accurately place where all the forgerys are at. ok here it is... http://www.tourspecgolf.com/modules.php?na...c&p=54269#54269 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emric Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 ...seriously - where do you get this 'stuff'?...mizuno sports umbrella + subsidiaries have manufacturing facilities in shanghai, hong kong, mexico and japan...mizuno forgings are still forged and finished in japan... e I've seen some awesome pics of custom Miz Japan irons/wedges here and am considering ordering a set. I know their quality control is so much higher than Miz US when it comes to specs but how about durability? I had a set of MP14's for about 3 yrs and beyond the usual bag dings, the chrome started to peel and rust on me. On the other hand, I also have a set of Hogan Redlines that held up pretty well compared to the MP14s - bag dings but no peeling/rust issues even on my 8 iron which I've hit off of my share of desert hardpan/cartpaths.A buddy of mine has had a set of MP33s for 2 yrs and they look worse than my Hogans - they're already peeling. I love the Miz feel and the custom options are great but I don't want to spend the money on something that'll look 8 yrs old in 2 yrs (if I keep'em that long :wink: ) While I'm at it, how durable are the Gauge, Tourstage or other Japanese forgings? Thanks. I don't know if the 14's have a copper underlay or not but i would suggest Iron head covers for a set of custom mizzy's, I have had mine for a couple months and not a single ding due to the head covers, I also have a set of U.S retail MP30's which i didn't use head covers and they are all dinged up. It all depends on how you take care of your stuff and usually the with the hefty price of Japanese Irons people tend to baby them. Another issue is several years ago, mizuno moved their plant to Cambodia or Bangladesh or somthing and had to train an entire new staff of foreign workers, I have heard from many that in the last 2 years mizuno has really been back to up to par or even birdie for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMMike Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 ...seriously - where do you get this 'stuff'?...mizuno sports umbrella + subsidiaries have manufacturing facilities in shanghai, hong kong, mexico and japan...mizuno forgings are still forged and finished in japan...e Seriously e, where do you get your info on Mizuno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 ...seriously - where do you get this 'stuff'?...mizuno sports umbrella + subsidiaries have manufacturing facilities in shanghai, hong kong, mexico and japan...mizuno forgings are still forged and finished in japan... e Last time I asked Mizuno Japan thats what they said :laugh: I think 5 years ago they moved their production line near the border of Cambodia and until only the last 2 years QC has gotten back up to par. I just dropped them an E-mail but I'm almost positive the answer will be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMMike Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Almost every brand is made in asia, Im not sure 100% but maybe together we can figure this stuff out, I will make a thread and if everyone contributes perhaps we can accurately place where all the forgerys are at.ok here it is... http://www.tourspecgolf.com/modules.php?na...c&p=54269#54269 Chris, thanks for the thread. Titleist is Endo forged? WOW! That I did not know. :titleistjp: Oh, and btw, those new Mizuno Black MP wedges look awesome! Do you have an idea of what the price point will be when they hit the market? :mizuno: Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Almost every brand is made in asia, Im not sure 100% but maybe together we can figure this stuff out, I will make a thread and if everyone contributes perhaps we can accurately place where all the forgerys are at.ok here it is... http://www.tourspecgolf.com/modules.php?na...c&p=54269#54269 Chris, thanks for the thread. Titleist is Endo forged? WOW! That I did not know. :titleistjp: Oh, and btw, those new Mizuno Black MP wedges look awesome! Do you have an idea of what the price point will be when they hit the market? :mizuno: Thanks! As it says in the thread a lot of what we know about where stuff is forged could not be 100% accurate. I may be wrong. The Mizuno wedges are out in September, I can also custom order them in flat black with all that M stamp label stuff to. How about a T series wedge in flat black and silver paint fill. :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMMike Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 As it says in the thread a lot of what we know about where stuff is forged could not be 100% accurate. I may be wrong. The Mizuno wedges are out in September, I can also custom order them in flat black with all that M stamp label stuff to. How about a T series wedge in flat black and silver paint fill. :cool: Chris, that would be simply AMAZING! Silver paint fill, oh man, now that's some serious "Ho-manship" right there...haha! Any kind of custom shaft as well, like an NS Pro 950 for a D3 or D4 sw? And can you order me a low bounce too? I feel another pm coming on very soon! :money: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breal Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 All I can say is Mizuno the best, there quality is so good . Im glad the japan, cambodia thing got straightened out. If your a Ho then Mizuno is a good trick :cool: Got to have some of those wedges :love: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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