radd Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Is it just me or could callaway sort there profit loss very easily. There irons r ugly. If they made a set of players blades with proper hosels then they would make money. And there drivers suck. the fusion is the ugliest club ever. and back to the irons ever one looks the same the x14 and 16 r identical apart from a tiny notch out of the middle. They r easy to hit but y not make good looking clubs for the better players as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primo Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 They do make a player's line, it's called Ben Hogan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather1 Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 I agree if they would make a forged player cb it might do better than the x-16. I happen to like the look of the fusion but it is one of the worst feeling drivers around. Another thing I don't like is the closed faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 The GBB II 415 is one of the best drivers on the market. haribo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornyjuan Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 X-16 pro offsets are not bad. What cally needs to do is get back into the driver competition because their getting wooped by TM. I don't know if Cally will benefit from making a set of blades because the market for them is so exclusive. They have to look at what sells and what type of golfer they are catering too. If they want to go after a certain niche ie the better golfer then they can use Ben Hogan to do that. In general they need to go back to the glory days when they had the GBBs and ERCs. Maybe a smaller profile iron would be cool but their catering towards the game improvement market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicktry Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 At my home course, our pro is the biggest Callaway retailer in North America, period. He sells tons of the stuff. I have seen the fact that Cally can improve your game. In mens league, people who were 20 handicappers now hit the fairway and can actually get a 3 iron more than 170 yds. Quite frankly it sucks to be beat by a higher handicapper now that they can hit the fairway, and hit a decent approach. But the fact is I see their enjoyment to play the game now, as before it was pure torture on them. I am by no means saying that Cally is the next best thing since "KoolAid", what I am saying is that they have created a product line which greatly improves the enjoyment of playing the game for beginners and higher handicappers. I can't hit most Cally products, but realize that most people can't flush a 2-iron blade either. Oh yeah, the HX ball is da bomb! God Bless Jer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radd Posted August 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 first off the hx ball is losing them more moneythan nething else.second taylormade can do both titleist so why cant callaway make blades and improvement clubs. oi and the x16s pro series r not truely players clubs with that big top line. to say the gbb2 is one of the best drivers on the market may be fine but prove it. not selling well looks ugly from my point of view.i mean look at the face half of the face is the curve of the toe.thats stupid.oi and another bedhogan is no where near as big a name as callaway. plus its the hogan top flight brand keeping callaway afloat i know thats a fact. even the teo ball is faltering.cause either everyone has 1 or dont want 1. in my opinion they need to get like titleist ot tm cover the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus1 Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 ok first of i really think its a bit harsh saying that CALLAWAY sucks. they clearly make good products that give many golfers great enjoyment. second, i really dont think that the x16 pro series are that offensive. i mean ive played blades most of my golf life and have hit the x16 pro no bother and with great easy. and to be honest and to be realistic unless u strike it like tiger or ernie the callaways are going to help u out at some stage during the round. third callaway drivers are ugly, not my choice, however if u check in shops and on their website you can see that the standard version are 1.5 closed but that the pro series version are actually 1 to 1.5 open. but everyone has the right to their own opinion, this just happens to be mine. personally i think if callaway where to become more like taylormade it would further saturate the market full of clubs and further put us club hoes into the red at our banks lol :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameronreddy Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Last year's forged wedges are the bargin of the wedge world. Copper overlay, 1020 steel, small head to cut through heavy rough and thick grass green side, easy to file off the trailing edge for the fancy shots. They fit seamlessly with the MR23 US Spec CBs. I even pulled my PW and use the 48*. Buy the raw 60 and a small, thin file, and spin the ball all over the place and never worry about finding a refinisher. The ERC 3+ is a driver in desquise. Their ERC and GGBII fairway woods are the best off the tees... My wife's GGB irons are the Mother of all "fat-shot busters." Lots of great equipment, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk5 Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 first off the hx ball is losing them more moneythan nething else.second taylormade can do both titleist so why cant callaway make blades and improvement clubs. oi and the x16s pro series r not truely players clubs with that big top line. to say the gbb2 is one of the best drivers on the market may be fine but prove it. not selling well looks ugly from my point of view.i mean look at the face half of the face is the curve of the toe.thats stupid.oi and another bedhogan is no where near as big a name as callaway. plus its the hogan top flight brand keeping callaway afloat i know thats a fact. even the teo ball is faltering.cause either everyone has 1 or dont want 1. in my opinion they need to get like titleist ot tm cover the market. There is no public information that the HX ball is losing money. Where did you get this from? Forgings make up less than 12% of the iron market so why would Callaway want to make a forging when their Hogan division does that quite well? The GBB II driver is selling very well in Canada, now that it is at a better price point. I use no Callaway equipment but I can tell you that they are a long way from being down and out. They will release some very affordable and interesting products between now and the spring of 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk5 Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 At my home course, our pro is the biggest Callaway retailer in North America, period. God Bless Jer Sorry, but that honour would go to Golf Town in Canada unless your pro is selling more than $10 million a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radd Posted September 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 first off the hx ball is losing them more moneythan nething else.second taylormade can do both titleist so why cant callaway make blades and improvement clubs. oi and the x16s pro series r not truely players clubs with that big top line. to say the gbb2 is one of the best drivers on the market may be fine but prove it. not selling well looks ugly from my point of view.i mean look at the face half of the face is the curve of the toe.thats stupid.oi and another bedhogan is no where near as big a name as callaway. plus its the hogan top flight brand keeping callaway afloat i know thats a fact. even the teo ball is faltering.cause either everyone has 1 or dont want 1. in my opinion they need to get like titleist ot tm cover the market. There is no public information that the HX ball is losing money. Where did you get this from? Forgings make up less than 12% of the iron market so why would Callaway want to make a forging when their Hogan division does that quite well? The GBB II driver is selling very well in Canada, now that it is at a better price point. I use no Callaway equipment but I can tell you that they are a long way from being down and out. They will release some very affordable and interesting products between now and the spring of 2005. My pro got the stats. They are losing money. Ask yourself this out of the top brand manufacters taylormade callaway titleist cleveland ping who makes a blade who doesnt who makes easy to hit irons EVERY1. My point about blades is supported strongly i think. 12% would help calaway alot right now.trust me callaway has lost millions and millions this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTLam Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 I think the main issue is because Callaway makes game improvement clubs, there are very little pro's that use it. They may have the Callaway logo on their bag, but when they whip out any club from their bag and it's not Callaway, there is no talk about how well the Pro played with "X" club. There has to be lots of people who like to use stuff that the pro's use. It's an ego thing. Of course, most people could benefit from Callaway equipment, but what do they end up buying? The HX Tour balls sell well because 1 they are good balls, and 2 because pros use them and they get the exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk5 Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 first off the hx ball is losing them more moneythan nething else.second taylormade can do both titleist so why cant callaway make blades and improvement clubs. oi and the x16s pro series r not truely players clubs with that big top line. to say the gbb2 is one of the best drivers on the market may be fine but prove it. not selling well looks ugly from my point of view.i mean look at the face half of the face is the curve of the toe.thats stupid.oi and another bedhogan is no where near as big a name as callaway. plus its the hogan top flight brand keeping callaway afloat i know thats a fact. even the teo ball is faltering.cause either everyone has 1 or dont want 1. in my opinion they need to get like titleist ot tm cover the market. There is no public information that the HX ball is losing money. Where did you get this from? Forgings make up less than 12% of the iron market so why would Callaway want to make a forging when their Hogan division does that quite well? The GBB II driver is selling very well in Canada, now that it is at a better price point. I use no Callaway equipment but I can tell you that they are a long way from being down and out. They will release some very affordable and interesting products between now and the spring of 2005. My pro got the stats. They are losing money. Ask yourself this out of the top brand manufacters taylormade callaway titleist cleveland ping who makes a blade who doesnt who makes easy to hit irons EVERY1. My point about blades is supported strongly i think. 12% would help calaway alot right now.trust me callaway has lost millions and millions this year That was not your point. You said that the HX Tour ball was losing money which I said was incorrect. As for the company losing money over the last few quarters, I agree. Your number analysis is absurd. The TOTAL forged market for all manufacturers is 12% and no company including Callaway is going to sell that many forgings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegantly_Wasted Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 That was not your point. You said that the HX Tour ball was losing money which I said was incorrect. Before Callaway's Canadian headquarters left Victoria a couple of months ago a good friend of mine had worked for them for the past several years as the head of sales amongst other positions during his tenure. If I recall correctly, he told me that since Callaway's construction of the their ball manufacturing facility they've annually lost roughly $12 million on balls alone. I believe this information was also posted somewhere on PGA.com's Equipment News several months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegantly_Wasted Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Yeah, here's the article to which I was referring: http://www.pga.com/news/equipment/otherequ...mbers042304.cfm Except that I stand corrected - they had lost ~ $20 million per year until the first quarter of 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk5 Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 That was not your point. You said that the HX Tour ball was losing money which I said was incorrect. Before Callaway's Canadian headquarters left Victoria a couple of months ago a good friend of mine had worked for them for the past several years as the head of sales amongst other positions during his tenure. If I recall correctly, he told me that since Callaway's construction of the their ball manufacturing facility they've annually lost roughly $12 million on balls alone. I believe this information was also posted somewhere on PGA.com's Equipment News several months ago. Again, your information is correct. I am saying that the HX Tour ball, now manufactured at the Top Flite facility acquired by Callaway is making money as a separate product model. Its sales are crisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slicktry Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 "Sorry, but that honour would go to Golf Town in Canada unless your pro is selling more than $10 million a year." In terms of location sales, our pro does the most. Callaway is the one that confirms this. Oh yeah, GTown has Cally shoes for $ 122. (cdn) really good deal. But I am not sure when it comes to chain sales, it could very well be GTown. God Bless Jer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgk5 Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 That was not your point. You said that the HX Tour ball was losing money which I said was incorrect. Before Callaway's Canadian headquarters left Victoria a couple of months ago a good friend of mine had worked for them for the past several years as the head of sales amongst other positions during his tenure. If I recall correctly, he told me that since Callaway's construction of the their ball manufacturing facility they've annually lost roughly $12 million on balls alone. I believe this information was also posted somewhere on PGA.com's Equipment News several months ago. Here is a link to support my observations on Callaway's ball operations. http://www.pga.com/news/industry/businessi...sider072604.cfm Notice how the consolidation is beginning to pay off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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