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This is a S flex shaft. Sorry for not including it earlier.

$550 FOR A BRAND NEW R7 :surprize:

FAQ, Just out of curiosity, when was the last time you visited Plaza? I know in the past their collection was not as big as it is now. I felt they have quite a few TOUR putters/products in their cases, at least much more than any other RETAIL store, for that matter. I am sure there are some private parties who have quite a bit of TOUR Cammies, but for the average public to be able to see these products is quite an experience for them. Obviously there are a lot of people on these forums that have access to a lot of TOUR pieces but probably won't open their doors for people to see them. Also I don't know too many stores that have Scotty Cameron, himself, coming to their stores during MASTERS weekend to do signings, so he must have a better connection with Plaza than most. Scotty Cameron even made separate headcovers for the occasion :surprize: . Last year they had quite a few other important Scotty "specialists" and his "right hand men" that brought in quite a few items that only people close to Scottty Cameron have ever seen, that has to say something also. I hope I am not rubbing anyone the wrong way, that is not my intention and I am sure your post is not intended for that also, but I have yet to see another collection as large as his open to the public. Just my 2 cents :smile2:

I know that actual TOUR weights are the odd numbers but today I realized that some of the weights for the R7s are different sizes but have the same weight to them. (If you don't get what I am saying, let me explain). I had a 14 gram weight in a TOUR head that I received and noticed that it was MUCH shorter (about the length of a 10g) than the retail TP 14g weight. I was not sure if this was missed marked by TM so I decided to weigh both on a digital scale and they both were the same, 14g's. I like the one that came in the TOUR head because it sits flush in the head rather than sticking out like the TP version. Is this old news? (Don't remember seeing a post about this) Has anyone else noticed this?

Sorry this is a TP head not tour or regular.

I have a BRAND NEW TP that is not going to be used so I am trying to get rid of - comes with all weights and wrench. Decided to go with Tour head so no need for this club. I know someone can use and take advantage of this set up. $575 shipped to CONUS :smile2: Thanks ahead of time!!!!

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$550 Before off to Ebay.

$575 obo takes it - practically new with all the accessories.

Title says it all. I can do head only or with everything that comes retail. I have only hit on range once and on the course once. Looking for a higher loft so I am selling. Have pics upon request. Make me offers. Let me know if you are interested

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Are these stamped throughout all the heads?

Ric, I am with you on this one. I understood that casted clubs are the ones with the molds and Forged are Pounded into shape during extremely high temps. UNLESS MIURA/TM's forged irons are actually forged cast irons, which are originally made from a cast and then pounded into the forged setting. My experience with differences between forged and cast comes from automotive engine parts so I could be way off on the process with golf clubs, but I would think casting is casting and forging is forging no matter what subject matter you are dealing with. From what I have seen with the BT 300 forged, there has been much more chrome BT's available than the Satin ones. Unless people with the satins just don't want to get rid of them (understandable).

Ric, I hear ya, I am not complaining one bit about the irons I am playing, in fact the exact opposite, I ma very happy with the irons. I also just want to put an end to rumors one way or the other and finally get ONE version (the correct one). But I still like the irons! Call me naive or blind but I am basing my opinion strictly on the feel of the performance. Extreme, I guess I feel that if I were to pay full retail for a set of OTR irons at your a local shop I would still be paying $899 - 1000 for those irons and NOT get the feel that I have with the irons that I have. I understand the mis representation aspect that people are getting at (IF that is is true, I don't believe at this point) whether or not these are TRUE TOUR irons, but it seems like people are saying these are above retail standards but below ( by just a bit) the standards of the ones used on tour. Am I correct? I still believe that these are way above any standards in which REC golfers should have. Maybe I lucked out because cosmetically, mine are GREAT and in regards to the SW problems people are stating, do not exist in my irons. Also I feel the characteristics I listed in my other post are worth it also (no millings and Forged Hosel) But like Ric said, I think this post has stayed fairly informative rather than the RAMBELING, JUGDEMENTAL tirades in the past. But overall VERY happy with the irons and appreciate EDUCATED opinions and insight! :smile2:

Champ, From the two TOUR sets of MB's that I have owned, they have had two different types of finishes to them. The T etched irons definitely have more of a Satin finish to them and are not as shiny as the others. The "coin forged" hosel irons I had (from you Champ) were defintely a little more shiny. My uncles were the same way. I like both of the finishes in different ways. I do like how the T etched irons have no millings in the pockets and FORGED on the hosel. The satin is definitely more of a satin with much less glare. In regards to the email Extreme posted, I remember seeing that one now, but I have seen others that have said the exact opposite also, posted by Big. Obviously he is going to post ones that supports his product, but I also don't think he would use somone's name attached to it if it was not some what true. I think that would be taking a huge risk. Regardless, the irons feel SOLID and SOFT as Butta! For the price that some of these sets are going for (NOT THAT PRICEY TO BEGIN WITH at least now) I would take them over a lot other irons out there, including the last TOUR set I had (no offense CHAMP). But I guess when I got them the prices were much higher. I guess it just goes back to what you like and what feels right to the player, but at the same time I keep hearing TWO COMPLETELY different stories on what these clubs stand for. I guess the only thing I do know is everyone should try hitting them for themselves because if this is what CHEAP FORGING or below standard feels like, I don't think anything will be coming into the bag for a little while. :surprize:

Madball, That is part of my point. All of the links that I have seen people attaching to threads about T etched irons have put links talking about the T serial numbers(Carlsbad something - can't remember). This is why I am so confused at this point. I have not seen any links from anyone even remotely from TM Tour dept or rep that states that these are not TOUR or even rejects of TOURs according to certain standards. The only responses that I have seen on ANY site from any TM dept. has been in support of the T etched hosels. Just trying figure things out. I am not trying to act like I know EVERYTHING about TM products or TOUR products for that matter, but I just want to see something that either proves one way or another and NOT just a bunch of speculation. So just because the irons have a T etched in them supposedly means they are TRASH from TM. What happened to all the other iron sets out there from awhile back that also had FORGED on the hosel? Those are legit? I don't mind info at all, but when it turns to someone just judging products, that is another thing. I just want to know as much as everyone else.

I have heard that MIURA is NOT doing the forging for TM on their latest line of clubs like the new 05 TP's, but before that, they were still doing some forging for TM.

I can't believe this subject keep coming up!!! :mad: Until there is something definite that comes from TM Golf, where someone can scan and post official documents, all of this is just childish banter that will go around and around for WAY too long. I am not trying to "stir the pot" and take sides on who is right or wrong in this matter, but iron play is strictly a personal preference, and if one set of irons feels great to one person and they want to play them, then so be it. I play the irons that everyone calls "Fakes" or "Reject" irons, but I will say they feel/look DAMN GOOD and my swing weights needed to be adjusted by maybe .25 - .5 of a swing weight if that. I was not even able to tell unless it was on a scale and that could be from just more epoxy on one club for all I know. I aint TOUR just rec golfer with a little HO in him. I have played a number of FORGED heads TOUR and NOT TOUR, MIURA/NOT MIURA and can consider myself knowledgeable in what what feels solid and fits MY preferences. That is one thing that CAN'T be argued - hit a set of these REJECTS and another OTR set of forged irons and I think the difference will speak for itself. On another note all of the talk of the T stamp heads that I have seen posted on various sites always seems to refer to TXXXXX type of heads and those are usually drivers. Which leads to my next point, there has been many pics taken of TOUR drivers in PUBLISHED Japanese mags that show TXXX serial numbers on Sergio's and Goosen's drivers (yes, it is a close up and will try to locate the mag). One of the main people who was CLAIMING all the REJECT "T" stamps happens to be someone who was banned from other sites and is now in DOGHOUSE with many here. We need to stop making this about "someone" on that site or this site and make this about EVERYONE's pursuit to find what they want. Bottom line is it is up tp TM themselves to come out and differentiate their TOUR items from ones that are not, and until then, this topic will go round and round until HELL freezes over. Just go with what you like and leave the banter for the play ground....a majority of all the people on these sites are NOT going PRO anytime soon and should probably leave info that they got from a friend of a friend who has a tour hook up who knows a brother of a sister who has worked on a tour van out of this. Also all of this talk about fakes and rejects just hurts everyone and not just TM, but all the various TOUR items that people have. Now everyone is talking about this is fake and that is fake, which just crushes the market all together. Obviously there are the certain cases where there is NO question about it, but we will leave those on their own. Like I said not taking sides here and choose to visit ALL sites to find out info and see the latest products, but this subject has been beaten to death here. Just my 2 cents NOTHING OFFICIAL!!!!!! JUST ENJOY THE GAME. :smile2:

WOW that is PRICELESS!!!!

Let me know when you get some S3s - thanks!!!

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Great Wedge and Great Seller - from my experience with BOTH! :spit: Can't go wrong with either.

What is the secret with the prices? and the pics? Just curious!

Well what are prices?