icemakr Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 A set just for me. (Well I thought so) 3xBlk w/yellow paintfill 10 clubs in total 20*, 24*, 28*, 32*, 37*, 42*, 47*, 53*, 59*, 64* TT TX Tour lightweight shaft, yet still D-4 Custom grinds on the wedges NOW TAKING OFFERS !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lwolf Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 WOW, they look great, good luck with those, they are almost to sweet to play with!! :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybit Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 how long is the black suppose to last on those before a refinish? I new the color ware doesnt really affect the performance but just wanted to know. I love the sticks man pure art. :surprize: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primo Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 I have a XXX black 59 deg which I use out of the bunker nearly every round. I've had it for about 6 months and other than the sole it's held up incredibly well. Until I hit a shot out of the sand I really didn't notice any wear. VERY Sweet set of sticks btw. You're going to love the feel and performance of Scratch irons. Are those tour or classic blades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KascoPro Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Sweet sticks. How much do those cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizunoMP Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 The finish only lasts for a season, maybe two if your lucky and you upkeep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe295 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Nice indeed....enjoy them.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 sweet sticks :cool: Regarding wear ... i have 3 antique Scratch wedges. Only thing that wears is sole and face. But to be absolute frank I don't care. As a matter of fact as more as they wear as more i like them. Don't really care about shiny new clubs. Definitely won't sell them anyway. They are too good. haribo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffy Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Great looking set. I've had a similar set make-up (six irons from 21* to 45* and four wedges 50* to 64*) all season and am convinced it is the way to go; I'm glad to see someone else has gone this route! Keep us posted how they work for you! Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Great looking set. I've had a similar set make-up (six irons from 21* to 45* and four wedges 50* to 64*) all season and am convinced it is the way to go; I'm glad to see someone else has gone this route!Keep us posted how they work for you! Jeff Interesting set-up guys. Always wanted to add a super-lofted wedge but could never decide on a club to leave out. Guess you just have to tweak some irons in the set. BTW.....nice looking irons - especially those blades!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffy Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 rsu wrote: Interesting set-up guys. Always wanted to add a super-lofted wedge but could never decide on a club to leave out. Guess you just have to tweak some irons in the set. BTW.....nice looking irons - especially those blades!!! Tweaking a couple irons is OK but really doesn't do it. You need to redo the loft, length and lie of the irons such that a couple are eliminated but step down consistently. For the most part, my clubs increase 5* in loft versus the standard 4* and decrease in length 0.625" instead of the standard 0.5". Ari at Scratch obviously knows how to do it; Miura NA has told me they will do it. The advantage with Scratch is that the sole grinding will be done after the lofts are bent on the raw forgings. That way you don't disrupt the bounce. BTW, I have the Tour Blades throughout my set and they play as awesome as they look...I highly recommend them! Jeff[/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdcj Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Those are some great looking irons. If they hit as good as they look, I'll be looking foward to you slipping on a green jacket in April. What kind of shafts and what weights in them did you go with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icemakr Posted November 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I've had a chance to play them a couple of times now and WOW these play as good as they look. I don't know if I'm a good enough ball striker or the long irons are not so forgiving, but I am really loving the FEEL and performance of these sticks. The wedges are excatly what I wanted and short irons are awesome. Give Scratch a Try you won't be disappointed! Icemakr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I've had a chance to play them a couple of times now and WOW these play as good as they look. I don't know if I'm a good enough ball striker or the long irons are not so forgiving, but I am really loving the FEEL and performance of these sticks. The wedges are excatly what I wanted and short irons are awesome.Give Scratch a Try you won't be disappointed! Icemakr Who did the grinding and the finish? Were they done in Japan or U.S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairwayFred Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Ice's set was custom ground in the US and finished in our new Satin 3X Black Oxide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I've had a chance to play them a couple of times now and WOW these play as good as they look. I don't know if I'm a good enough ball striker or the long irons are not so forgiving, but I am really loving the FEEL and performance of these sticks. The wedges are excatly what I wanted and short irons are awesome.Give Scratch a Try you won't be disappointed! Icemakr Who did the grinding and the finish? Were they done in Japan or U.S? Chris, no offence but I think you're getting a little too obsessed with the question "Japan or U.S." :wink: haribo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 I've had a chance to play them a couple of times now and WOW these play as good as they look. I don't know if I'm a good enough ball striker or the long irons are not so forgiving, but I am really loving the FEEL and performance of these sticks. The wedges are excatly what I wanted and short irons are awesome.Give Scratch a Try you won't be disappointed! Icemakr Who did the grinding and the finish? Were they done in Japan or U.S? Chris, no offence but I think you're getting a little too obsessed with the question "Japan or U.S." :wink: haribo None taken, Its in my opinion there is a big difference between the two in regards to scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 None taken, Its in my opinion there is a big difference between the two in regards to scratch. If you mean strictly the new plater scratch uses in Japan ... you got a point for all the chrome lovers. But frankly that doesn't change the fact that Scratch has an excellent product at hand. In my opinion their wedges are the best on the market. The customization they offer is outstanding. My three wedges are in the Antique finish, meaning non-plated. I highly doubt they would be any better if I had opted for the(japanese) chrome/satin version. haribo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybit Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 i dont understand. Your saying there is an option for where we get it ground and finished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emric Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 ...speaking for myself only - there is a huge difference in difficulty grinding a set of irons vs. grinding individual wedges...you can throw out the plating differences. a highly experienced grinder is what you need to look for. each iron needs to have a seemless transition from one another - not simply in asthetics - but in cog, sole, neck, top, shape, groove thickness, etc. it is another proposition altogether if customers have the abilities to tell the difference from a properly ground set and a off-spec ground set...so i'd ask first - "who is grinding this custom set?". "where and to whom did this grinder apprentice under?" e None taken, Its in my opinion there is a big difference between the two in regards to scratch. If you mean strictly the new plater scratch uses in Japan ... you got a point for all the chrome lovers. But frankly that doesn't change the fact that Scratch has an excellent product at hand. In my opinion their wedges are the best on the market. The customization they offer is outstanding. My three wedges are in the Antique finish, meaning non-plated. I highly doubt they would be any better if I had opted for the(japanese) chrome/satin version. haribo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather1 Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Ari, who does the copper plating for you guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairwayFred Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Ari, who does the copper plating for you guys? All of the plating is done in Japan (Polished Chrome, Satin Chrome, Nickel and Copper) The 3X Black and Antique chemical finishes are done in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 None taken, Its in my opinion there is a big difference between the two in regards to scratch. If you mean strictly the new plater scratch uses in Japan ... you got a point for all the chrome lovers. But frankly that doesn't change the fact that Scratch has an excellent product at hand. In my opinion their wedges are the best on the market. The customization they offer is outstanding. My three wedges are in the Antique finish, meaning non-plated. I highly doubt they would be any better if I had opted for the(japanese) chrome/satin version. haribo I have no problem with you having that opinion, I'm happy your happy and my intent was not to make any points. There are differences, take a look... The OTR has a smoother transition neck OTR U.S Custom no plating Hiro M neck non plated I pay a lot of attention to detail and need clean rounded lines, I also prefer a method of Illusion grinding that hides size, Mizuno does this well. I also ask because I find it very appealing to have the same Black finish MOZ uses and the same grinding technique that his apprentices who make the OTR's use. Scratch can hand grind the heads and then send them to Japan to be finished, or the head could be 100% made in Japan, or it could be made 100% in the U.S. I am the type of person who would care to know or may even have a preference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 None taken, Its in my opinion there is a big difference between the two in regards to scratch. If you mean strictly the new plater scratch uses in Japan ... you got a point for all the chrome lovers. But frankly that doesn't change the fact that Scratch has an excellent product at hand. In my opinion their wedges are the best on the market. The customization they offer is outstanding. My three wedges are in the Antique finish, meaning non-plated. I highly doubt they would be any better if I had opted for the(japanese) chrome/satin version. haribo I have no problem with you having that opinion, I'm happy your happy and my intent was not to make any points. There are differences, take a look... The OTR has a smoother transition neck I pay a lot of attention to detail and need clean rounded lines, I also prefer a method of Illusion grinding that hides size, Mizuno does this well. I also ask because I find it very appealing to have the same Black finish MOZ uses and the same grinding technique that his apprentices who make the OTR's use. Scratch can hand grind the heads and then send them to Japan to be finished, or the head could be 100% made in Japan, or it could be made 100% in the U.S. I am the type of person who would care to know or may even have a preference. I have to say I never examined a club so closely.....always thought most clubs pretty much looked the same overall. But there really is a noticeable difference in these pics. Guess it's just a matter of preference - don't see why anybody would be touchy about the subject though??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primo Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 OTR U.S Custom no plating Hiro M neck non plated I pay a lot of attention to detail and need clean rounded lines, I also prefer a method of Illusion grinding that hides size, Mizuno does this well. I also ask because I find it very appealing to have the same Black finish MOZ uses and the same grinding technique that his apprentices who make the OTR's use. Scratch can hand grind the heads and then send them to Japan to be finished, or the head could be 100% made in Japan, or it could be made 100% in the U.S. I am the type of person who would care to know or may even have a preference. [/b] Chris, You mention that the Scratch is a Scratch Custom made in the USA. I have a 52 that was ground here in the USA that has a neck identical to the one in the MOZ pic. It's that way because I asked for it. Custom wedges are exactly that, if you want something that looks like another retail wedge you need to ask for it. That's kind of the point. Look at the transistions of other high end wedges, what about Zodia? Are you telling me that those are low quality because the transition lines are abrupt? I'll take a pic of my 52 and you can see for yourself. The grinding here in the US is every bit as good as the grinding in Japan. In fact the grinders in Japan have been impressed with Scratch golf grinders and have complemented them on them. Secondly the black XXX teflon finish is done right here in the USA. The guy they use his main contract is with the US army, he plates all the parts for the hummers used by our troops in that giant bunker Iraq. If it's good enough for our troops fighting in the desert, I'm sure it's fine for a silly golf club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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