tour-md Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 So I videotaped my swing the other day... I noticed that I'm not connecting my arms well with my torso -- causing my hands to drift outwards and away from my beltline during the take away. This obviously results in loss of power on all of my clubs. Any drills to assist with this? I know that Vijay places a headcover under his left arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus1 Posted October 25, 2005 Report Share Posted October 25, 2005 EASY DUDE! i did this a while back.... i was simply told but my coach to stick the butt end of the club in my belly betton and simply turn, untill the club isoutside your right foot. from here your arms will be in front of you chest and connected! from this position all you gota do is cock your wrists and lift arms :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tour-md Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 +1, Thank you for the suggestion. I'm hitting the range tomorrow...I'll provide updates. t-md Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffy Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Hold on a minute, two opposite extremes there: the headcover under the left arm drill is a "one-plane" swing drill (more bentover posture and more rounded arm swing); club butt in the belly button is "two-plane" swing drill (more erect posture and more vertical arm swing). It would help to use a drill that is appropriate for your swing. See Jim Hardy's "The Plane Truth for Golfers" for more detail. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tour-md Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Thanks Jeff for the additional information. All the information I can obtain at this point is helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Alexander Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 So I videotaped my swing the other day...I noticed that I'm not connecting my arms well with my torso -- causing my hands to drift outwards and away from my beltline during the take away. This obviously results in loss of power on all of my clubs. Any drills to assist with this? I know that Vijay places a headcover under his left arm. :confused: I had my swing videoed this afternoon by the golf coach. Haven't had a lesson for a while, but let me tell you my 14 year old son now swings it better than me! There's definetly a few more lessons and videos on the agenda. Not quite ready to lose to him.......just yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plus1 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Hold on a minute, two opposite extremes there: the headcover under the left arm drill is a "one-plane" swing drill (more bentover posture and more rounded arm swing); club butt in the belly button is "two-plane" swing drill (more erect posture and more vertical arm swing). It would help to use a drill that is appropriate for your swing. See Jim Hardy's "The Plane Truth for Golfers" for more detail.Jeff i use the belly button drill, and i was told to use it to eliminate my 2 plane motion!......my coach was getting me to do this because i was taking the club away on the outside! i use the belly button drill for the first few feet in the takeaway....which is meant to stop me from dropping it in the inside....... now im :confused: as to whether im on one plane or two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffy Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Hold on a minute, two opposite extremes there: the headcover under the left arm drill is a "one-plane" swing drill (more bentover posture and more rounded arm swing); club butt in the belly button is "two-plane" swing drill (more erect posture and more vertical arm swing). It would help to use a drill that is appropriate for your swing. See Jim Hardy's "The Plane Truth for Golfers" for more detail.Jeff i use the belly button drill, and i was told to use it to eliminate my 2 plane motion!......my coach was getting me to do this because i was taking the club away on the outside! i use the belly button drill for the first few feet in the takeaway....which is meant to stop me from dropping it in the inside....... now im :confused: as to whether im on one plane or two! Well, I'm not surprised that the 1P/2P stuff is creating confusion; there is alot of misinformation out there. The reason I call the belly button drill a 2P drill is because it encourages the arms to stay in front of the body and to create width, two things a 2P-er wants but a 1P-er doesn't. A 1P-er will want the arms to move inside immediately "behind" the body (left arm across the chest, right elbow up and back), to create a "deep" backswing. Look at this video of 1P-ers Peter Jacobsen and Tom Pernice from Brady Riggs' site: http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/221289/1/8579073 Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tour-md Posted October 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Well I tried both techniques. I believe I'm a 2P player so the butt in the gutt routine helped the most. :) Thanks again +1 & Jeff. t-md Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdluten Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 This may be too late but here's my two cents... I had lesson on the same problem yesterday...I'm a pro and work with a lifetime member of the PGA (he's been doing it for 29 years!) He keeps it really simple...forget all that plane crap. He gave me a few thoughts that worked...1. Picture a medicine ball in your hands at address position and rotate. It's that simple, your forearms rotate the club is inside and the club is not closed (the toe is up). 2. He stood behind/beside me and with no club in my hand, I had to reach back with my left hand and give him 'five'. (same thing, it promotes good rotation and the clubhead is not closed) 3. Last but not least, for folks like myself who really take it outside with an closed clubface, he said to put the butt of the club in my right pocket. Don't forget to rotate your forearms! OK one more thing...check your club head at address and your grip pressure. If the club is the slightest bit closed at address, you have no choice but to go outside on the way back. As for grip pressure, keep it light and try not to squeeze with your right thumb and index finger. I made the adjustment to let those two finger touch slightly now on my grip and it really helped. GOOD LUCK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tour-md Posted November 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 td, Never too late for great advice :)..... Thanks for the additional tips, I really appreciate it. t-md Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrazygolfer Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Ah! The old keeping the triangle formed by the left & right shoulders and the hands holding the club in front of the body routine. Sticking the butt end into the tummy was amd still is the drill. Good job +1. :cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHawkmc Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 i use the belly button drill, and i was told to use it to eliminate my 2 plane motion!......my coach was getting me to do this because i was taking the club away on the outside! i use the belly button drill for the first few feet in the takeaway....which is meant to stop me from dropping it in the inside.......now im :confused: as to whether im on one plane or two! Plus1 - Your coach is correct. Both the headcover (or glove) under the left arm and the shaft into the belly button keep the arms more in-synch with the body (a 'connected' feel). The problem usually stems from an improper pivot or lack of of torso rotation at the beginning of the backswing. Without this rotation, the arms and hands will usually move to the outside and away from the body (unless you make a conscious effort to keep them in). i use the belly button drill, and i was told to use it to eliminate my 2 plane motion!......my coach was getting me to do this because i was taking the club away on the outside! i use the belly button drill for the first few feet in the takeaway....which is meant to stop me from dropping it in the inside.......now im :confused: as to whether im on one plane or two! Well, I'm not surprised that the 1P/2P stuff is creating confusion; there is alot of misinformation out there. The reason I call the belly button drill a 2P drill is because it encourages the arms to stay in front of the body and to create width, two things a 2P-er wants but a 1P-er doesn't. A 1P-er will want the arms to move inside immediately "behind" the body (left arm across the chest, right elbow up and back), to create a "deep" backswing. Look at this video of 1P-ers Peter Jacobsen and Tom Pernice from Brady Riggs' site: http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/221289/1/8579073 Jeff The problem with Hardy's 1P theory is that he tried to oversimplify a complex motion. What is 1P? The hands have their plane, the arms move in another, then there is the shoulder plane, clubhead plane, etc.... If anyone really wants to understand the various planes in the golfswing, I suggest studying The Golfing Machine. It covers this topic very well. There are several websites (Brian Manzella, Lynn Blake and The Golfing Machine) that all go into much detail. Even Hardy, at a teaching summit last year, admitted that his 1P system is an oversimpification with a number of mistakes in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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