+TourSpecGolfer Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 Ok im considering purchasing the lease for an SST pureing machine. I contacted several Japanese manufactures of shafts and they said it is not neccesary for most high end brands. The guys at SST are giving me results that are off the charts but dont have supporting data with the sorts of exotic shafts we sell here at TSG. Of course a cheap shaft like aldila or YS will have a ton of flaws in manufacturing and would benifit from an SST pure. My good friends who do club work tell me that there is a hundred dollar machine that can do the same job just without the fancy printout and that paying big bucks for this machine isnt worth my time as i only sell high quality shafts, most of them hand made in Japan. from my experience an SST pured shaft seems stiffer than one non pured, and IMO of course a stiffer shaft will find you the fairway more often than a softer shaft. Im looking for facts, opinions, and any supporting data to aid me in my decision. Thanks for your help guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blader-X Posted September 9, 2006 Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 I can't give much input here Chris as I've never hit an SST pured shaft. I do know that I have a local clubfitter insert all of my higher end shafts over the years and they have all performed very well. The last one he did for me was the Axiv-V in the ERC III and that one is awesome. I think you may be right that with the high end shafts which we all here love at TSG, SST pure may not matter much. Looking foward to hearing others input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleasedwith3putts Posted September 10, 2006 Report Share Posted September 10, 2006 Chris I have all my shafts SST pured and they are always high end like redboards, TP7's and a certain Axiv :tsg_smilie_whistle: There can be quite a variation of flex depending upon the plane installed and I have seen first hand two redboards of the same flex cpm almost a whole flex apart down to a combination of a strong spine in one and being generally stiffer anyway. How much difference it actually makes is difficult to say, but I take the view that if I am dropping big $'s on a shaft, I may as well have it installed in the optimum wayand reckon your customers would be pleased to have this as an option even for a self install. Generally it will be set up by SST to flex along the stiffest plane but the idea is to find the most consistent plane in which the shaft loads / unloads in a straight line and if a $100 machine does the job then that's fine with me! As a footnote, the TP7 is designed to be installed graphics down, but the SST conclusion was to rotate it by about 10* off that plane. Best, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggie Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Chris, All my clubs have been aligned. It truly makes a difference. I don't know how much difference it makes with a high end shaft but with the shafts on my Driver, 3 wood and 5 wood, it has eliminated the right side of the course and the only reason the other side shows up is if I make a bad swing. I've also had my steel shafts aligned--it's created a slight draw and makes it harder for me to fade a shot in but I have the utmost confidence in knowing where my ball will end up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Chris,All my clubs have been aligned. It truly makes a difference. I don't know how much difference it makes with a high end shaft but with the shafts on my Driver, 3 wood and 5 wood, it has eliminated the right side of the course and the only reason the other side shows up is if I make a bad swing. I've also had my steel shafts aligned--it's created a slight draw and makes it harder for me to fade a shot in but I have the utmost confidence in knowing where my ball will end up. I used to have my old irons alligned and I couldn't really tell the difference. But back then I was still developing my swing. Now I'm starting to notice little inconsistencies with my rifle 6.0 flighted shafts. Are the NS Pros spined? Does it even matter since they are supposedly much better shafts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhaden Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 When I asked my local builder is I needed my new PX's pured he basically laughed at me. Totally unneccesary for any metal shaft, in his opinion. They are going to spend 2 years of R&D money in developing best materials, manufacturing process, etc. and not think to send them out aligned? I would have to think that in all the different R&D expenses, marketing, in bringing a product to market, frequency testing to find some kind of idea where a consistent flex is located is a small piece of the pie for a manufacturer. I realize there are inconsistencies in manufacturing, like with anything, but most of these after purchase services are just ways to supplement vendor profit since manufacturers have made the margins retailers have to accept very tight. Why do you think Golfsmith make you order new grips in a kit? Because there is more profit in their tape and solvent and some stupid tool than in the grips. He also said most of the inconsistency he sees is with prototype or limited run shafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clevelaand Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Yes! Yes! Yes! It is all it's cracked up to be. Shafts that are pured/splined are so much tighter and easier to control. If you have not hit clubs with splined shafts then you are missing out. Of course, companies that manufacture the shafts are not going to be for it and play it down, because they do not want to have to spline all their shafts before they sell them. But, soon more companies will begin to spline their shafts and indicate where the spline is with a mark. I bought a Sasquatch Tour 460 with a Diamana blueboard in it and if felt okay. I took the shaft out, splined it, and reinstalled it in the Sasquatch and now it launches the ball in a tighter dispersion. At least, try it in your driver-what have you got to lose. If you have a vise, check it yourself. Put your driver grip in the vise, use parts of a grip to stablize it, head pointing up, and pull it back horizontal to the ground. If it is splined it will go back and forth in a straight line. If it is not splined, it will rotate in a circle. Does not take a lot of imagination to see which movement of the shaft will produce a more successful hit on the ball. Try it. Now MOIing is another thing. Not sure that will last very long. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfgolfer Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 I find this less relevant the better the shaft and/or assembly (i.e, the Diamana installed stock on the r5TP needed to be totally re-oriented where as both the Axiv and Ozik shafts I had tested were flat on the money). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted February 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Guys im not talking about spine and flow, SST pure is different more precise. What I have heard from Ozik is by SST puring the shaft it does more harm than good to that design. Anyway i have decided not to go with SST puring and just simply use conventional spine/flo methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richmond Golfer Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Guys im not talking about spine and flow, SST pure is different more precise. What I have heard from Ozik is by SST puring the shaft it does more harm than good to that design.Anyway i have decided not to go with SST puring and just simply use conventional spine/flo methods. Whats the reason to use "conventional spine/flo methods, if the shafts are of such high quality they do not need aligning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backspin9 Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 I've heard pros and cons both ways. I've had shafts like Dynamic Gold SST Pured and really couldn't tell much of a difference. I was going to have the Nippon 1050's Pured for my Bridgestone J33 CB's and the clubmaker said NOT to do it. The mark has to be installed exactly at 12:00 (for righties) and he said that even if it was off 1 or 2 degrees, it would throw the Puring off. You really need some kind of jig or a laser to get them set perfectly. Puring also works best on finished length shafts. For someone that wants to do his own work, most places that do Puring will only do uncut shafts or they charge you $25 per shaft, so that is another problem. I suppose there is a psychological aspect to having it done, but I haven't really seen where it's helped as much as they claim it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggy10 Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Chris, Maybe give Leith Anderson and/or Bob Huff at the Golf Lab in Palo Alto a call. Plenty of articles in GolfTodayMagazine.com Not sure if they're on this forum but they swear by the SST PUREing. Not sure if Hot Stix uses this or not. Might be worth checking in with them as well. The various tours use the system. Why would they bother if they didn't notice a difference? I think it doesn't hurt and is probably more beneficial on softer shafts. Especially graphite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Chris,Maybe give Leith Anderson and/or Bob Huff at the Golf Lab in Palo Alto a call. Plenty of articles in GolfTodayMagazine.com Not sure if they're on this forum but they swear by the SST PUREing. Not sure if Hot Stix uses this or not. Might be worth checking in with them as well. The various tours use the system. Why would they bother if they didn't notice a difference? I think it doesn't hurt and is probably more beneficial on softer shafts. Especially graphite. I have spoken with a bunch of people about it, and they are all talking about SST puring lower end shafts. SST claims a certain amount of tour players use SST pured shafts, when in reality, those players have HAD their shafts SST pured but it doesn't mean they currently have their gamer shafts pured. Most tour vans don't pure them when they build the players club. Shops will support the system because they make easy money off of providing this service. Several months ago we tried doing a couple of Oziks and an Axiv then putting the before and after results on the launch monitor, the dispersion did tighten but not by anything humanly noticeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowpro Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 chris not sure what your using now to find spine/ flo of a shaft.. but there are low tech NON lease products to use and get same results my friend. tested a few shafts i have done and sst pured-- sent a few to ust and matrix and - to let them use their $3000 machines and pretty much get it right on the button. it is a good thing to do and even with the high end shafts.. just as a check measure- if you understand.. but with how well made the golf sdhafts are being done these days - it could be passed over. steel now on the other hand -- always check .. hit it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmaduk Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 chris not sure what your using now to find spine/ flo of a shaft.. but there are low tech NON lease products to use and get same results my friend. tested a few shafts i have done and sst pured-- sent a few to ust and matrix and - to let them use their $3000 machines and pretty much get it right on the button. it is a good thing to do and even with the high end shafts.. just as a check measure- if you understand.. but with how well made the golf sdhafts are being done these days - it could be passed over. steel now on the other hand -- always check .. hit it well. I was under the impression SST Pureing is just for graphite. Can you elaborate please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygolf Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) A lot of comment here mentioning aligned....aligned and sst pured are 2 different processes. One is cheap, while the other requires a ?k machine, and it is bloody expensive. Some people swear by pured shafts, others call it a sham. Edited October 10, 2012 by jaygolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygolf Posted October 10, 2012 Report Share Posted October 10, 2012 I was under the impression SST Pureing is just for graphite. Can you elaborate please? I thought it was mostly used for iron shafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Chris, It's obvious you are leaning towards not pursuing the SST lease. However, if I were in your situation selling extremely high end components and finished clubs, I would consider it a no brainer to get on board with it. The fact of the matter is that when dealing with the relatively large purchase price of the shafts, the extra cost to pure them is fairly nominal. The people who patronize this site and your store are very exacting folks who want the very best and know everything is perfect. Even handmade shafts of the best materials can have slight variances depending on shaft orientation on install. Whether they are within the bounds of making a noticeable difference for us amateur golfers is definitely up for debate, yet I would certainly be willing to pay $50-75 to "pure" a $500+ shaft just to have the mental confidence in knowing everything is as right as can be. Others may disagree but when you get into this level of quality and price, I think the process is an easy upsell that can generate more revenue for you while providing those who opt for the service a higher level of peace of mind. People spend hours on monitors testing various club heads and shaft combinations to find the right combination of distance and dispersion. It's fairly well established that the process improves dispersion on some level, and it would seem that the longer the club the more positive difference it would make. I obviously don't know what your sales volume is on shafts but I would guess at least 50% of the customers here--as discerning as they are--would opt for the service given its a fraction of the cost of high end driver/FW/UT shafts. And for me the little up charge is well worth the little confidence boost that would come with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Sorry old post. There's no way I would consider an SST lease anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Can you expand on that? Is it purely a financial consideration, has it been superseded by other technology, or just unnecessary based on the quality of the components TSG offers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I dont believe nor do the shaft companies or the majority of PGA or JPGA tour players do either. We have been asking for years (at the factory) and can't find anyone in Japan who buys into it. The only positive thing they say is it "might" help with the really poorly designed shafts but even then if it's designed properly even shafts made of the lowest quality materials don't need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 i spent a lot of coin geting a set of ns 1050s done a while ago. i used them enough to be able to judge if it made a difference. i think it"might" have but im not 100% sure. the shaft i had done sure are tight but i cant/wont say definitively that it made a significnat change. when i hit them i thought they arevery striaght adn very rigid but... over non SST ones, nah cant say. the logos are all rotated tho... and its damn expensive to do! illnever do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandee11 Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 How does the sst compare to spine ? Are they similar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I was planning on having my Crazy shafts all done with SST but maybe not. Which way should I align the shaft graphics for Crazy shafts on my woods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted October 23, 2012 Report Share Posted October 23, 2012 I was planning on having my Crazy shafts all done with SST but maybe not. Which way should I align the shaft graphics for Crazy shafts on my woods? Logo up. The Crazy's are ready to go and do not need spined, pured or anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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