PGAPro Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 I'm waiting for some reviews on these shafts, after what I have read about them, they seem to be very long with great feel, I hope that is the case when you guys try them out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Plans have changed and my Roddio is now going into a PRGR 502 Silver... we'll have to wait for the driver to get here before I give you guys some feedback... (^_^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammo57 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 They look so nice, just wondering how do they compare with Ozik line. Always love the Japanese technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pleasedwith3putts Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Can you give us a detailed report of how all the shafts (including the Roddio when you get it and try it) played (feel, length, trajectory, bias, stiffness, etc.)? Comparison. Also, a little background about your swing and normal shot. Thanks. I am intererested as well as thinking about the exact same combos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 They would receive a visit from me for sure... Looks like it has been released from customs though and should be here tomorrow! What the hell are MACH line shafts? This site is insane.........but i love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 What the hell are MACH line shafts? This site is insane.........but i love it! go to www.golf-ngs.co.jp Great little company for handmade shaft and I have the 5350 Proto. It is still relatively unknown hence reasonable price compared to big names. They are just as good if not better. I would take a NGS product over Fuji anytime having use both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb2235 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 (edited) I went to have a W-6BA S-flex installed this morning and figured i would be in/out in 20 minutes to pull the head and install the shaft. If you meet the TSG criteria(I didn't) I would strongly recommend you send it to TSG. Also, if you think you will be able to install with your color preference on top think again. My PCS Class A clubmaker is very knowledgeable and thorough thankfully. My intention was to just install it maroon side up. I don't pretend to understand even a little of the process he conducted to find the optimum install. First, he conducted a concentricity test(roundness of the shaft) and then he checked the stiffness through out the shaft(24 different degree points). Once he had all the data he loaded into a Shaft Orientation Program and loaded the data onto a Sine graph. There he was able to locate the optimum Droop and Strong plane. Once he had that he did the install. I ended up with one color pointed towards the target at address...so at address I have half silver and half maroon. I tried to load the Sine graph Excel spreadsheet but it wouldn't load. The whole process took 90 minutes. Alot of you may understand all this but I am just very thankful my guy did. Edited April 5, 2007 by yourpressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leepark Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Did you hit it yet? Tell us the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb2235 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Did you hit it yet? Tell us the results. Not until tomorrow and maybe not even then. It is brutal here in the midwest...30's with 20-35mph gusts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 I went to have a W-6BA S-flex installed this morning and figured i would be in/out in 20 minutes to pull the head and install the shaft. If you meet the TSG criteria(I didn't) I would strongly recommend you send it to TSG. Also, if you think you will be able to install with your color preference on top think again. My PCS Class A clubmaker is very knowledgeable and thorough thankfully. My intention was to just install it maroon side up. I don't pretend to understand even a little of the process he conducted to find the optimum install. First, he conducted a concentricity test(roundness of the shaft) and then he checked the stiffness through out the shaft(24 different degree points). Once he had all the data he loaded into a Shaft Orientation Program and loaded the data onto a Sine graph. There he was able to locate the optimum Droop and Strong plane. Once he had that he did the install. I ended up with one color pointed towards the target at address...so at address I have half silver and half maroon. I tried to load the Sine graph Excel spreadsheet but it wouldn't load. The whole process took 90 minutes. Alot of you may understand all this but I am just very thankful my guy did. Interesting, that's the first one I've seen where the logos are on the silver side and the colored side is blank. With all the shafts TSG received, they are all logo on the color side and either blank white or silver as is shown on the Roddio site. I know that Roddio can do custom jobs but I didn't think any direct retail ones would be like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb2235 Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Interesting, that's the first one I've seen where the logos are on the silver side and the colored side is blank. With all the shafts TSG received, they are all logo on the color side and either blank white or silver as is shown on the Roddio site. I know that Roddio can do custom jobs but I didn't think any direct retail ones would be like that. The company gave me the choice of regular or what they referred to as 'special" for no upcharge so I went for it. Was really hoping for white but not an option for the W-6BA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madball Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Whoever has hit the W-6BA --let us know the scoop.. My finger is on the paypal button Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted April 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 First, he conducted a concentricity test(roundness of the shaft) and then he checked the stiffness through out the shaft(24 different degree points). Once he had all the data he loaded into a Shaft Orientation Program and loaded the data onto a Sine graph. There he was able to locate the optimum Droop and Strong plane. Once he had that he did the install. I ended up with one color pointed towards the target at address...so at address I have half silver and half maroon. I tried to load the Sine graph Excel spreadsheet but it wouldn't load. The whole process took 90 minutes. I hope you didn't pure the shaft, They don't even suggest doing a spine and flo job on it. I'm curious to find out as how he adjusted CPM tipping in mm, what was your target and the final specs of the club when completed. Also you wouldn't happen to know the head weight would you? Reason I'm asking is that its not an easy shaft to zero in on a particular flex. It requires the Studio Manual especially if your not used to such sensitive tipping instructions. Which no one is because the roddio is the most difficult shaft to frequency tune. Even the width of the blade of the saw used has an effect. If a club maker takes the stock shaft shoves it into a head at the length you want and weight you ask the shaft is all over the charts. Also Daiwa doesn't warranty any shaft not installed by a trained RODDIO tech, Each time a shaft is installed the final specs and serials are sent back to their Tokyo HQ. This shaft is still in testing and market research with no official plans to release it to the U.S Public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb2235 Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 I hope you didn't pure the shaft, They don't even suggest doing a spine and flo job on it. I'm curious to find out as how he adjusted CPM tipping in mm, what was your target and the final specs of the club when completed. Also you wouldn't happen to know the head weight would you? Reason I'm asking is that its not an easy shaft to zero in on a particular flex. It requires the Studio Manual especially if your not used to such sensitive tipping instructions. Which no one is because the roddio is the most difficult shaft to frequency tune. Even the width of the blade of the saw used has an effect. If a club maker takes the stock shaft shoves it into a head at the length you want and weight you ask the shaft is all over the charts. Also Daiwa doesn't warranty any shaft not installed by a trained RODDIO tech, Each time a shaft is installed the final specs and serials are sent back to their Tokyo HQ. This shaft is still in testing and market research with no official plans to release it to the U.S Public. Chris--No, he did not "pure" it. The head weight was 202g. He has some very sophisticated equipment and I have no idea what it is called but he told me what he was looking for in terms of the nuetral and strong plane. I tried to attach the graph he used but could not get it to load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 yourpressed, any feedback on how it played? Did the BA not fit your swing? As Chris mentioned the shaft actually does require tipping to a certain degree to achieve proper CPM. If he didn't tip it, it's possible it's way too soft for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb2235 Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 yourpressed, any feedback on how it played? Did the BA not fit your swing? As Chris mentioned the shaft actually does require tipping to a certain degree to achieve proper CPM. If he didn't tip it, it's possible it's way too soft for you. I played 9 holes(multiple tee shots on each hole) this am. The strong or swing plane CPM'd at 257 and the droop or neutral plane CPM'd at 253 which where most of the shafts I have played cycle out. Tipping may have been a way to go but I always start untipped with a new shaft. As I mentioned in my post yesterday I would advise anyone to send your head into TSG. Based on all the data and the testing my clubmaker did before the install it was put in correctly tipping aside. The data on the shaft claims to take the high right or block out of play and they delivered. I wasn't hitting nasty hooks by any means but was on the left side of the fairway with the 30 or so drivers I hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted April 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Sounds right un tipped Stiff flex W6-BA with a 202.9 gram head are coming out around 256 cpm's. This club no fun for you? I see it on ebay already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 What is the final playing length of the captioned driver and did you feel like a pull due to weight of shaft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb2235 Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Sounds right un tipped Stiff flex W6-BA with a 202.9 gram head are coming out exactly around 256 cpm's.This club no fun for you? I see it on ebay already! Too much left for me and I was swinging at my normal pace. I took it off TSG and stuck it on Ebay per your info regarding the warranty and tipping info plus you are offering a great service and don't want to detract/confuse from that either. The tipping has me a bit perplexed as the raw length was only 46 inches so not sure how much tipping could/would you want to do. Matrix recommends tipping as well and never had any issues with their products nor do I feel there was any with the Roddio. Then again I am no expert. Edited April 6, 2007 by yourpressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogeydog Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 I hit my new W6BA in my Epon 460. The club is 44.5", 10.5 square face. It replaced a Axiv-V 6066 shaft. Overall it required less of an effort for me to hit. Maybe my 97mph SS wasn't enough for the Axiv. I immediately notice much better roll without loss of trajectory from the shaft over the 6066. That is one reason that I replaced the 6066. It had a nice traj, but it must have had too much spin, because roll was nothing. My natural ball flight is a slight fade. I never drew the Daiwa, but hit straight or with my normal fade. Feel was very smooth with a nice kick. It was less boardy than the Axiv. Overall, my guess is with the better roll, 15 yards better than my experience with the Axiv. The Axiv was nice also, but this seems to be my shaft. I will let you know how it plays on the course next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 I hit my new W6BA in my Epon 460. The club is 44.5", 10.5 square face. It replaced a Axiv-V 6066 shaft. Overall it required less of an effort for me to hit. Maybe my 97mph SS wasn't enough for the Axiv. I immediately notice much better roll without loss of trajectory from the shaft over the 6066. That is one reason that I replaced the 6066. It had a nice traj, but it must have had too much spin, because roll was nothing. My natural ball flight is a slight fade. I never drew the Daiwa, but hit straight or with my normal fade. Feel was very smooth with a nice kick. It was less boardy than the Axiv. Overall, my guess is with the better roll, 15 yards better than my experience with the Axiv. The Axiv was nice also, but this seems to be my shaft. I will let you know how it plays on the course next week. Good feedback. It's consistent with the tests most Japanese magazines have conducted. Carry with the best of them but quite a bit more roll and very very smooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leepark Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 So, if you're a drawer (with hook misses) this shaft probably isn't for you? One lesson we should all learn is to get TSG to do the shafting, especially on such exotic shafts. Yourpressed learned the hard (not to mention, expensive) way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madball Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) So, if you're a drawer (with hook misses) this shaft probably isn't for you? One lesson we should all learn is to get TSG to do the shafting, especially on such exotic shafts. Yourpressed learned the hard (not to mention, expensive) way. Is that what this means if you draw the ball--the shaft isn't for you?? Yourpressed:::: Were you moving the ball from right to left or just straight pulls left???? If the shaft is supposed to take the right pushes out of the equasion--I think it would be easy to draw..... Is this right or wrong??? Either way--I'll post my results early next week Edited April 6, 2007 by madball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb2235 Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) Is that what this means if you draw the ball--the shaft isn't for you??Yourpressed:::: Were you moving the ball from right to left or just straight pulls left???? If the shaft is supposed to take the right pushes out of the equasion--I think it would be easy to draw..... Is this right or wrong??? Either way--I'll post my results early next week It was certainly not a soft draw nor a nasty hook but somewhere in between I guess. My normal shot pattern is a very slight right to left. It is a high quality shaft just not for me and don't view it as an expensive lesson as a poster above stated. Buying, trying, selling is my hobby. Edited April 6, 2007 by yourpressed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leepark Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 It was certainly not a soft draw nor a nasty hook but somewhere in between I guess. My normal shot pattern is a very slight right to left. It is a high quality shaft just not for me and don't view it as an expensive lesson as a poster above stated. Buying, trying, selling is my hobby. I wasn't trying to be a smart ass. I was feeling your pain (if there was any) as I do the same thing (probably a lot less than you). Sometimes the investment in time and money seems all for not (although you get to play with a lot of new and latest toys)! btw, thanks for the review. Posts like your's are what makes TSG a great source for info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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