swisstrader Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 Interested in some collective thoughts from the group on the 2012 Bridgestone TourStage X-Drive 707 driver. I see TSG has a couple reviews but interested in overall feel and whether or not its a bomber. Also any comparisons to my Epon 151 would be helpful as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky3 Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 I asked thiis a couple of months ago, nobody around these parts seems to be that inetersted in TS drivers much, folk have moved onto ... well you've seen for yourself. personally I think the 707 is just an adjustable 705 and I,m not interested in adjustable drivers. I have. 705 415 and and Epon AF102 ... I prefer the Epon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisstrader Posted July 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Strange for me that ppl here would have limited interest. I had always thought that Tourstage was viewed as top quality JDM gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I was also interested - VERY interested as I always love the look of Tourstage's clubs and they appear to be top quality. Very surprised there's no interest. Probably the whole - "adapter isn't a purists approach" type thing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky3 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 For me adjustable drivers make no sense..... once you have the optimal setting why would you change it. To get the optimal setting you just need to get fitted with a prooper launch monitor. You also have to buy addtional tips if you want to change shafts, these then cannot be used in other driver heads... There are no advantages in my opinion, all that TM tuning is just BS obviously just my opinion of course... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 When you add an adjustable sleeve or parts your adding weight in areas that hinder performance. So OEM's compensate by lightening other areas of the head and what this does is box them into a corner. Say TM for example, you can adjust just about everything but because of that they have far more design limitations in the future leaving their only option to reverse out of adjustability. Its not a matter of just adding an adjustable sleeve. If we did that to a driver not meant for it it's 6-8 grams to the hosel meaning they must reduce another area 6-8 grams then compensate for that loss somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisstrader Posted July 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Yes, but thoughts on the driver?? I'm also not a big fan of adjustable drivers as an aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gus Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I have not noticed any weighting issues associated to my adjustable drivers, quite the opposite they have worked extremely well for me. I've been surprised at the level of fine tuning and how much it effects performance, it very simple to remove most of these tips and allows for easy access to many shafts quite quickly. Maybe early models suffered from this extreme wreight variance (Callaway I-Mix, etc) however the modern versions are very well made and show very little tolerance loss. The ability to adjust lie/loft independently is the real game changer, aka Titleist and Callaway Razr Fit Tour Authentic. It's only a matter of time before the Japanese brands refine development and utilize adjustable technology, zero reason not too...BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I originally hated the idea of adjustable drivers but they've grown on me. I'm not a refined golfer with a tour consistent swing so having an adjustability option if things do go awry is nice. Performance wise, I have no idea. I've hit the RAZR-FIT and it's as long as anything i've tried and super straight. Feel isn't amazing, though. On paper this weight/performance thing might fly but in real world testing I haven't noticed any disadvantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I originally hated the idea of adjustable drivers but they've grown on me. I'm not a refined golfer with a tour consistent swing so having an adjustability option if things do go awry is nice. Performance wise, I have no idea. I've hit the RAZR-FIT and it's as long as anything i've tried and super straight. Feel isn't amazing, though. On paper this weight/performance thing might fly but in real world testing I haven't noticed any disadvantages. i'm of the exact opposite opinion...in the real world, i haven't seen any advantages to adjustable drivers. i can't even count anymore how many times i've seen people pop their tool bag out and change their driver configuration mid-round and then proceed to hit the exact same push/slice they did for the last 5 tee shots. not even any placebo effect!!! in fact the only time i think adjustability could work is if you actually did have a tour consistent swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky3 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 i'm of the exact opposite opinion...in the real world, i haven't seen any advantages to adjustable drivers. i can't even count anymore how many times i've seen people pop their tool bag out and change their driver configuration mid-round and then proceed to hit the exact same push/slice they did for the last 5 tee shots. not even any placebo effect!!! in fact the only time i think adjustability could work is if you actually did have a tour consistent swing. where it does have an advantage is swapping shafts during a fitting process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 i'm of the exact opposite opinion...in the real world, i haven't seen any advantages to adjustable drivers. i can't even count anymore how many times i've seen people pop their tool bag out and change their driver configuration mid-round and then proceed to hit the exact same push/slice they did for the last 5 tee shots. not even any placebo effect!!! in fact the only time i think adjustability could work is if you actually did have a tour consistent swing. Pretty much agree with chiromikey and I would drive myself insane with all the different settings etc. always wondering if it was right.. what swing did I bring today..... Had the first R7, just had weights to adjust, fiddle, fiddle, fiddle. the new ones with 8,000 different adjustments... No thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuramaniac Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Ive got the TS 707 driver and I quite like it, with or w/o the adjustability. I don't even touch the adjustments. Much better than the 703 and 705, I've had both. It's competing right now with the Yamaha V202 Tour driver for residence in my bag. The 707 is maybe 5-10 yards longer but the feel of the Yammy is hard to beat. WOW, that thing feels good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 where it does have an advantage is swapping shafts during a fitting process ok, i can see that...so make it a fitters only club and once you figure out your needs have one built to those specs and be done. but then i guess we wouldn't have "the next" reason to get the newest equipment. to me it's like they're just feeding off a man's obsession for fiddling instead of offering innovation or improvement. the more buttons something has the more we want it and want to push all of those buttons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisstrader Posted July 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Just funny to hear that from a bunch of guys that love to fiddle with changing in and out of a bunch of shafts and heads and basically changing out of gear more often than some would change their shorts for the day, that you don't want a driver that you can fiddle with! I would think it would be a gear heads dream. On my end, I'm not obsessed about the fact that it's adjustable or not (had one of the original TM adjustable drivers and just kept it neutral the entire 3 weeks I owned it;) I more concerned or interested in how it performs and man is it tough to find reviews on the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Just funny to hear that from a bunch of guys that love to fiddle with changing in and out of a bunch of shafts and heads and basically changing out of gear more often than some would change their shorts for the day, that you don't want a driver that you can fiddle with! I would think it would be a gear heads dream. i guess that's why it doesn't make sense to me...once my equipment is set up properly, it stays that way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 i guess that's why it doesn't make sense to me...once my equipment is set up properly, it stays that way! Taking that a step farther.... You're setting up a driver to match your swing... which IMO (here come the flames) means you're trying to make your over the top or whatever swing work.... alright now we've adjusted the driver lets adjust the irons.. oh wait... I'd rather adjust/fix my swing than the driver. But that's just me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gus Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I see it differently, I utilize adjustability to fine tune a properly fitted club, it's also nice to have multiple shaft options without the pain of re-builds. All very valid arguements no flaming necessary...BB :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I would probably try more shafts if I had an adjustable driver. As BB says not having to visit a builder every time you wanted to switch shafts, might be worth it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisstrader Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Gents: this is the club on eBay that I'm considering. Haven't bid yet but please feel free to give me your input...and please don't bid against me...haha! http://www.ebay.com/itm/200798046559?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I see it differently, I utilize adjustability to fine tune a properly fitted club, it's also nice to have multiple shaft options without the pain of re-builds. All very valid arguements no flaming necessary...BB :) i definitely see an advantage to swapping shafts...but in my mind that's a different argument than the adjustable head debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I've bought from her many times. Top notch seller Hang on, it's going to go for top $ Is that shaft a good fit for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) Gents: this is the club on eBay that I'm considering. Haven't bid yet but please feel free to give me your input...and please don't bid against me...haha! http://www.ebay.com/...d=p5197.c0.m619 Swiss that is a great looking driver. Looks like it has some weight, some ummpphh behind it. The sole looks very robotic/futuristic. I could see 'The Teminator' using that on a golf course. Lol. Buy the matching 3 and 5 wood that the seller has too. That would be a very nice set to have in anyones bag. Edited August 1, 2012 by Ian-500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisstrader Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I've bought from her many times. Top notch seller Hang on, it's going to go for top $ Is that shaft a good fit for you? Jeff: stiff shaft and at 66 grams. My swing speed is 95 MPH and I generally play stiff at about 60 or so, so guessing it should work(??) Just surprised to see if going for so much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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