bogeydog Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I likely will get beat up on this post, but it is timely. I seldom rant and rave, but feel compelled to now. The question is "What is the right and wrong price to list/sell something for on BST?" "Is there a right or wrong price?" Background I have been part of the TSG community since 2006. I have bought and sold many items throughout the years. Some rare. Some limited. Some that I lost the love for. Some I never had it. I have always looked at this community as a place to discuss JDM equipment and other relevant information. I have seen many new people come to later disappear. All in all it has been a great experience. Chris and Tario have always been very helpful and accomodating. Opinion TSG is a small community. It has its core group of forum participants. We like to discuss and share information about JDM products that isn’t easily obtained from anywhere else. We all know that we buy equipment hoping we will like it, etc. Mostly we do not have a great place to go and demo equipment. So we rely on each other's opinions and experiences to gain knowledge. This knowledge simply is not available anywhere else. With that brings a family community rather than one we see elsewhere. We are a small group. The BST of equipment has been interesting to watch. Typically a TSG customer buys the equipment from TSG. They get a good price that meets or is lower than that in the pro shop. They use the equipment, then either keep it or put it up for sale. In most cases, the price reflects it is used equipment. If new, it is priced fairly at purchase price or less. A buyer may or may not buy at the advertised price. I have had numerous "limited' items during my TSG life. I have always received more than fair pricing from Tario and Chris and NEVER have they increased the price if the item is "limited" or "rare" or "on short supply." Although they are business owners, they haven’t ever taken advantage of this in anyway. In fact, they personally have given up their own personal orders so to fulfill a customer’s. It burns me up when "we" as members of TSG, who got fair prices from Tario and Chris, feel it appropriate to sell an item for more than we bought it for. I understand the laws of supply and demand. However in the TSG, we are family and we should consider passing on our equipment at a "fair and reasonable" price especially since we bought it at a "fair and reasonable price." We all our willing to take information and discussions from our fellow members without payment. If we are paying each other for advice, etc. then Stew could retire. The same goes for buyers. If the equipment is listed for a more than fair price, I can’t stand when I receive a low ball offer. It is insulting and I will never sell to you for that. You can disagree with me or not. You can argue supply and demand and all that crap. However, take a minute and think of how many times you have been helped by each other for free. Consider the benefit of passing along equipment for a fair and reasonable price especially when you bought it for one. If not, I give permission to Tario and Chris to raise the prices for limited/rare items as well as when supply gets low. It is only fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisstrader Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Amen to that...I have a whole new group of friends who are equally nutty about their JDM gear compliments of TSG and with a general "pay it forward" attitude. Everything from people who have sent me clubs without asking for any monetary compensation on a "trust, try and buy" sort of program, to me letting certain members come to my club and hit a bunch of balls with my JDM gear. This sense of community is something NONE of the other forums could ever hope to accomplish. Yes, there are some here who appear to be taking advantage of limited runs or sold out items, but I think the best response is simply no response and sadly those members will either fade away or quickly get the message. Obviously its everyone's prerogative to ask for any amount of money and see what the market will bear, but it seems not in the spirit of this forum to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaygolf Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Bogey, you basically took the time to write what I've been itching to write for a couple of weeks, but refrained from doing so because of my lack of "seniority". Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Thanks bob for doing this and taking the time to spell it out clearly. Takes guts and a cool cool head to do so. Thanks for looking out For the gang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I agree with all but 1 of your points bogey. SOME low ball offers may come from those with a very restricted budget. I'm sure they don't mean it as an insult. We all know what prices in the BST are fair and which are not. The genuine guys that offer a 'low' offer do so out of necessity. 'These' guys usually play the 5 years and older JDM gear and just chance their arm every now and then. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddmnkey Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Agree 100% I just shake my head in disbelief at some of the recent BST listings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tae Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 What goes around..... comes around.....^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleUK Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Fair point well made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigrin Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Team Bdog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 This is a complicated matter when viewed from the big picture, but in response to a couple of recent posts, it is spot-on. If a TSG forum members buys a low-supply limited edition, then immediately tries to sell it afterwards on the BST at a mark-up, it is in poor taste. It is taking advantage of both TSGs ethical business practices not to charge more for waning supplies of limited items, and other TSG posters who, as Bogey mentioned, readily give advice, post helpful information, etc. If you want to speculate and buy something from TSG, then try to turn it on tourspecgolf or privately because posting it here is a slap in the face to the entire community and the business that hosts the very forum. Now if it were 3 years down the road, there are 20 people actively scrounging for Personals or a Zen, and a poster has them in good shape with high end shafts, etc. and wants to ask a premium price for them based on scarcity and demand, I don't think that is necessarily wrong. Perhaps it should be done on tourspecgolf or in PMs with members who are known to be looking for such items. If buyers are expected to pay a premium for the scarcity of a limited edition, it only makes sense that there is a possibility that they could appreciate in value over time. Each situation is different, and something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. On the low balling thing...I guess it doesn't offend me. I am a wheeler-dealer by nature and of course I always want something for less. I don't expect any different when negotiating with someone else. So when someone throws me a low offer, I will pass or counter offer, and that's the end of it. But it doesn't bother that someone asked. As mentioned above, sometimes people are working on a strict budget and are taking a shot in the dark, sometimes those shots can turn out to be home runs. What's an acceptable price? I guess I am not sure all the time...but I know unacceptable when I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Amen to that...I have a whole new group of friends who are equally nutty about their JDM gear compliments of TSG and with a general "pay it forward" attitude. Everything from people who have sent me clubs without asking for any monetary compensation on a "trust, try and buy" sort of program, to me letting certain members come to my club and hit a bunch of balls with my JDM gear. This sense of community is something NONE of the other forums could ever hope to accomplish. As someone who has been invited to his club to try some stuff out, I concur that this community unlike any other. It's hard to maintain community culture as the community grows, and that might be what we're witnessing here. This community does a good job at it, though, and the original post is a great effort to do just that. Kudos, Bogey! A couple other thoughts based on some experience: on this or some hockey forums I frequent, I have listed items at prices a bit higher than I would be willing to accept precisely to be fair to others who might try to sell something similar. My thought is that final prices can be worked out over PM.. Additionally, I have a feeling some sellers are trying to protect themselves from seller's remorse and so are pricing according to a downside case of replacement cost. All-in-all, I guess it's important to know how much you really want for something as a seller and how much you're willing to pay as a buyer. Great topic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 This community has been much larger in the past and thankfully it isn't that way anymore. It started with BSG, then came TSG and all the "tour" guys came here. Then they were like wtf this dudes only focused on JDM product, that left a gap in the market. thus WRX was born. I'm very thankful for WRX, it's a good place and the best part is they now house the many people I prefer not to have around here. No offense to anyone. We have been around for a long time and pride ourselves in keeping it compact with serious enthusiasts only. When the num nuts come around I usually scare them off or get rid of them all together and that really isn't a secret. The price I pay is that they go to another forum and bad mouth us, the pay off we get is the TSG community stays civil, informative and very awesome. We also have a huge lurker base, If you could only see the web statistics. It's international, we have people who never post that frequently visit and have been doing so for over a decade. I want to thank them too! In regards to the BST. Well we do have rules and if you notice anything suspicious let us know. The rules are in place for a reason. Seriously thanks for caring guys! There is a new version of TSG in the works, lots of new stuff coming. Our team is very passionate about improving the site. There is also a lot of stuff we do that everyone isn't aware of. Something goods coming up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky3 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Agreed flipping is.... well flippin' low down...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zwan Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 I likely will get beat up on this post, but it is timely. I seldom rant and rave, but feel compelled to now. The question is "What is the right and wrong price to list/sell something for on BST?" "Is there a right or wrong price?" Background I have been part of the TSG community since 2006. I have bought and sold many items throughout the years. Some rare. Some limited. Some that I lost the love for. Some I never had it. I have always looked at this community as a place to discuss JDM equipment and other relevant information. I have seen many new people come to later disappear. All in all it has been a great experience. Chris and Tario have always been very helpful and accomodating. Opinion TSG is a small community. It has its core group of forum participants. We like to discuss and share information about JDM products that isn’t easily obtained from anywhere else. We all know that we buy equipment hoping we will like it, etc. Mostly we do not have a great place to go and demo equipment. So we rely on each other's opinions and experiences to gain knowledge. This knowledge simply is not available anywhere else. With that brings a family community rather than one we see elsewhere. We are a small group. The BST of equipment has been interesting to watch. Typically a TSG customer buys the equipment from TSG. They get a good price that meets or is lower than that in the pro shop. They use the equipment, then either keep it or put it up for sale. In most cases, the price reflects it is used equipment. If new, it is priced fairly at purchase price or less. A buyer may or may not buy at the advertised price. I have had numerous "limited' items during my TSG life. I have always received more than fair pricing from Tario and Chris and NEVER have they increased the price if the item is "limited" or "rare" or "on short supply." Although they are business owners, they haven’t ever taken advantage of this in anyway. In fact, they personally have given up their own personal orders so to fulfill a customer’s. It burns me up when "we" as members of TSG, who got fair prices from Tario and Chris, feel it appropriate to sell an item for more than we bought it for. I understand the laws of supply and demand. However in the TSG, we are family and we should consider passing on our equipment at a "fair and reasonable" price especially since we bought it at a "fair and reasonable price." We all our willing to take information and discussions from our fellow members without payment. If we are paying each other for advice, etc. then Stew could retire. The same goes for buyers. If the equipment is listed for a more than fair price, I can’t stand when I receive a low ball offer. It is insulting and I will never sell to you for that. You can disagree with me or not. You can argue supply and demand and all that crap. However, take a minute and think of how many times you have been helped by each other for free. Consider the benefit of passing along equipment for a fair and reasonable price especially when you bought it for one. If not, I give permission to Tario and Chris to raise the prices for limited/rare items as well as when supply gets low. It is only fair. Well spoken and hats off to your guts for saying so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charge Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Well said Bob! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardboiled Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Well said Bogey.. I wish I could be so eloquent. There are other places to make a buck. A community based forum like TSG shouldn't be the place. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 is it weird that i wouldn't have a problem with some of the recent bst listings if they were on wrx, but i do here? i just feel like we're more connected here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGolf Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 +1 on this post...couldn't have agree more and very well written (with a clam head too) !! One thing I love about this community is how we wanna share our experiences of JDM equipments and in BST we can see a lot of clubs gets move around from members to members. That's what it's all about IMHO and not about making some quick buck as we're not selling equipments as our business (or at least most of us aren't) Cheers, again to a great post......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Well said… Agree on most points in OP sans the "low baller" and tend to side with MBBG. Have been guilty of offering less, in some cases to save a buck and in others because I am curious to try the item but have a definitive high water mark to satisfy that curiosity… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baddmnkey Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) is it weird that i wouldn't have a problem with some of the recent bst listings if they were on wrx, but i do here? i just feel like we're more connected here... Most definitely. I hardly go over to GWRX anymore, its getting pretty bad. More and more people just trying to make a fast buck and / or completely screwing people over and not delivering products paid for. Edited January 30, 2013 by Baddmnkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Well said… Agree on most points in OP sans the "low baller" and tend to side with MBBG. Have been guilty of offering less, in some cases to save a buck and in others because I am curious to try the item but have a definitive high water mark to satisfy that curiosity… Yeah I kinda feel bad now because I never pay listed price without at least making an offer. Everyone thinks I'm a lowballer now. Durnit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Yeah I kinda feel bad now because I never pay listed price without at least making an offer. Everyone thinks I'm a lowballer now. Durnit. geez, this whole time i thought all these guys pm'ing me about you were talking about your driver trajectory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
potuna Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 I agree with most of Bogeydog's comments, however I'll say that I've seen many listings for slightly used items that are way too high in my opinion. I also believe you can go down but never up. The one thing Gwrx has on TSG is you cannot question a persons pricing, it's not your business and the market dictates the price and it's an ad not an open forum to comment on. If you don't like it move on, remember silence is golden. Other than that he's right on and he steered me straight on the older Yamaha drivers, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoreBeerBetterGolf Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 geez, this whole time i thought all these guys pm'ing me about you were talking about your driver trajectory! DEF the least of my problems....I once lost a ball in orbit. The monkey Iran just put in space got himself a nice Z-Star XV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tae Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 DEF the least of my problems....I once lost a ball in orbit. The monkey Iran just put in space got himself a nice Z-Star XV Puhahaha Really? Better to ba a lowballer in windy city..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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