chiromikey Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Higher FP numbers mean less offset, so this iron has the least offset of the bunch. Iirc, Epon lists offset numbers instead of face progression so the P2 has more. I hope I'm wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuramaniac Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Face progression is the distance from shaft mid-point to leading edge of head. Offset is distance from left edge of hosel to leading edge. They're counter numbers, one increases as the other decreases, assuming normal shaft sizes. FP is more accurate and a better way to measure, even though both are useful. I don't read Japanese, but it looks like Epon is using offset. More going from 3-iron to PW, which is normal. And they usually call it "FP", even on the Japanese spec pages, so I assume this is offset. Edited July 23, 2014 by Miuramaniac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Based on what I am seeing in the column it is either the offset spec or counter to conventional design practices and most people's expectation the FP is decreasing as you move to shorter irons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Well that answers it, if Epon is using "offset" the P2 got more offset than the others and matches the wedge. I will say that offset is often a blessing when it comes to club design and while I understand how the better player just can't stand it, I have seen time and time again performance change for the better once a little offset is added. In this case the offset is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Wow, if that iron has that same goose kneck offset, wow..., just wow... I think the original Personals, 316s and 302s have just the right amount of offset... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) From Epon's blog, seems to describe more about the iron, the offset and has a different pic that shows more curves in the muscle back than what was expected (in a good way). http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8J5Xe0XpSIo/U879_xF4OpI/AAAAAAAABjM/tQLmILeS708/s1600/%E3%82%B9%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%891.JPG Edited July 23, 2014 by mpbachman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 So far I still prefer the af-tours over both personal models, looks wise anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duc! Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 So far I still prefer the af-tours over both personal models, looks wise anyway. Agreed wholeheartedly Ian!! Personal 1 is too busy and 2 is too simple! No character at all in the new design. Personally, don't like the direction of Epon Design at moment....pun intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Think these are progressive offset 4-PW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdGolf Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Think these are progressive offset 4-PW 'Aggressive' offset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Playing offset irons is refreshing, few do it but it's been a big part of the history of JDM irons, the dreaded gooseneck with rounded transition, and while they may be ugly it's still a blast to hit and on some occasions peoples scores might actually lower. It;s a shape that may never become popular outside of Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onwrd2vctry Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 I have to say that the wedge reminds me of my all time favorite Ping Eye 2 wedges at address. I may have to give these a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 I have a set of Yamaha Accurace that seem to have reverse offset and I play well with them........so I bought some MR-23 blades that have hardly any offset at all. I'll never learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Pics of the actual iron, the offset/face progression is more than the Honma IS-03 iron, top line very thin, bounce is low. The head isn't that small just thin with a round profile overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 It's not tempting me, but not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 If you look at the top right image it shows a couple of things, the photographer wanted to minimize the look of the offset but in order to do that they needed A LOT of forward press to do so. If the shaft was parallel to the leading edge or first groove you will see the offset in all it's glory. Obviously designed for the Japanese golfer with all the rounded edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 I like the round and clean look. That offset though would kill it for me. I wonder if someone can get some comparison photos next to the 302 or older Personals sometime to compare size and offset, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Looked way better in the satin-like finish the original pics suggested. I'm surprised to say that I'd try the 316s before these... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 They look like kitchen spoons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIduffer Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Not as sharp a toe, but it reminds me a little of one of the Zodia MB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miuramaniac Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Shiny and curved is never a good mix for irons. Not liking that at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 i will compare them to 316, 302 and aftour when i get mine next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 i will compare them to 316, 302 and aftour when i get mine next week. Like ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 What's softer the 316 or the 302? In theory, it should be the 316... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 What's softer the 316 or the 302? In theory, it should be the 316... for me i find the sus 316 firmer just like the yamaha. others have found the opposite. guess feel is subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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