supo Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 NS pro.. ST x are light weight stiff but almost flighty shaft set. they are not really easy to move laterally . they are excellent for dropping dead on target . and dont need excessive swing speed to make them perfrom. saying that if u do have a bit more oomph , then they might not be ideal as day in/out gamers.ive found they are very good in still conditions , but suffer a bit too much in wind .in summer id plumb for heavier ORA , 2f15 c10 or 2g18s . ( 2g18s esp in wind)winter the DP and ST are exceptionally good to play , they are not as grusome on joints, they fly higher and u need less effort to get then airborn.distance isnt great with them , they tend to play 1/2 club shorter ,esp with lower COG heads.if ur gonna play then go for a higher COG head.the 2 g18s are prob opposite to these. lower cog make them easier to play and get airunder.they are very good in wind, heavier and a very smooth feel.not a high as the ORA, or 2 f15s but a bit more versatile.if ur playing in varyaing conditions these are exceptional shaftsthe modus 130s will eventually be a hit for stronger players id think the older models being the c10s, the 2f15s, 2s14s , even the DPS theres a bit of dialogue on TSG already to find. this is an updated one bec ive been using these this season and tim LOVING themps tho... not being a pro , this is just my personal observations and not being the person for whom the PROTOS ar e deigned for . so u might get varying .conflicitng reports form others.but considering ive been playng ( and still do ) play2f15...2s14..c10..DP..ORA..ST...2g18. ..E11 for a few years i think i have a fair idea about what they all do for a semi normal human swing speed no, no more drawings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 But I liked the drawings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 If theres no drawings, I aint reading it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 pictures are easier to understand and doesn't require reading :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted August 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu dauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup i was bored! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 I agree on the 2g18...I'm looking for a spare set if anybody has one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted August 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 u sold urs right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 no. finally built them on my SUS...greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat combo. looking for 2 wedge shafts is my top priority but a full spare one could be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 What are the bend profiles on the ST protos? Are they similar to the Tour 120s or more traditional (i.e. think butt stiff, tip softer but not as boardy/heavy as the 130s)? Sorry, new to all of this Nippon Proto game ;) I am looking for something that isn't as tip stiff as the Tour 120s, not as heavy or overall stiff as the 130s, similar to KBS Tours but a little tighter but still a smooth shaft that spins a little less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 ...I am looking for something that isn't as tip stiff as the Tour 120s, not as heavy or overall stiff as the 130s, similar to KBS Tours but a little tighter but still a smooth shaft that spins a little less. Have you tried the C-Taper Lites? Their profile is a lot closer to the KBS Tours than it is to the original C-Tapers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 What are the bend profiles on the ST protos? Are they similar to the Tour 120s or more traditional (i.e. think butt stiff, tip softer but not as boardy/heavy as the 130s)? Sorry, new to all of this Nippon Proto game ;) I am looking for something that isn't as tip stiff as the Tour 120s, not as heavy or overall stiff as the 130s, similar to KBS Tours but a little tighter but still a smooth shaft that spins a little less. Sounds like KBS Tour V to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 What are the bend profiles on the ST protos? Are they similar to the Tour 120s or more traditional (i.e. think butt stiff, tip softer but not as boardy/heavy as the 130s)? Sorry, new to all of this Nippon Proto game ;) I am looking for something that isn't as tip stiff as the Tour 120s, not as heavy or overall stiff as the 130s, similar to KBS Tours but a little tighter but still a smooth shaft that spins a little less. SPO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I have the C-Taper Lites in my Personals (for about 1.5 weeks now). I love the feel and trajectory, but they spin a tad more than I would like and unfortunately (for me) are not great wind shafts. I am not removing them though until I find something better. The KBS Tour V is definitely interesting and on my list to try, same with the SPO as it seems to have similar weight and characteristics of the Tour, maybe a little more mid stiff? I was able to grab an uncut set of Prototype STs last night, so will give those a try. The weight though on them concern me a tad (sub 110g)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 I also could just go for the 1150ghs which I hear are great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Well, went to a "big box" store today and grabbed the new Callaway Apex Pro irons to test out the KBS Tour-V shaft. I grabbed the Titleist MB with the KBS Tour shaft and brought in my newly shafted SUS-316s with the Tour 130s (stiff). The 130s are too heavy for my liking, so they will probably go within days. The launch monitor was crap, so spin numbers had to just be relative (i.e. with the KBS Tour and Tour 130s, my 6i swing speed of 80 lead to backspin of around 4800 - too low to be realistic). They launched around 14.5-15.5* respectively. The Tour-V dropped my spin to <4k rpm (again, all relative as their LM was unrealistic). The feel was very similar to the KBS Tour but you can feel the tighter tip/mid section. Not sure if I am ready to jump on it, but I did like it more than the regular version. The 130s, despite being heavier actually held their own (highest launch but similar spin to the KBS Tour). Next up, the Nippon Proto STs. I have the C-Taper Lites in my Personals and do like those, though the Personals with the weak lofts and C-Taper Lite spin lead to about a full club length lost in distance compared to the 316s (if not 1.5 clubs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 For whatever reason the Personals are just plain short...shafts and lofts don't seem to matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 and 316 are really long ! I gained a full club vs the AF302 or the Yam 2013 non tour on MCI 120s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Supo, I wonder if we can get one of your drawings depicting the stiffness profile of the protos sometime :) The STs feel very similar to the 950/1050 series to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted August 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 hmmmmmmmmmm not really , they are tighter thant he 950s and smoothe than th1050, the 2f15s are very close to the 1050 , they are very tight and veyr stiff, they are long and they just arc. ST i i think are a non windy shaft, especially as u say, in the scoring irons , well not exactly balloon, but they go monster high. and are short. im always 1/2 club wrong with the 8-9-pw bc they moon itbut boy do they land soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted January 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 by popular demand.. DO NOT be 100% suer bec protos are ,for the mostpart "used" and thier butts and tips are cut differntyl to brand new shafts but as GENERAL RULE IVE FOUND.... this diagram holds true. the ora in X can be brutal. so can the 2f15s. depending if they have been tipped much and which loon pro hit them to start. the ST although light and whippy can also be rods , super light rods but they go HIGH. they can also be very very tight if tipped a lot. the DP and 2 g18s ive hit seem to be the best over all all round shafts for any condition. if ugget a nice set of 2f15s un tipped in stiff the ycan be magic a well. luck...... it seems can be curucial in these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Awesome work. The Louvre would welcome this with open arms! On a serious note, where do you think the Modus3 Tour 125 ballflight would sit in this line-up? Edited January 30, 2015 by Ian-500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Love it Stew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted February 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 hahahahah such fun..! Ian , no idea ive not hit them yet, im hoping to get a set this seaosn tho, i ot 2 sets of 130s and i cant use them this year so il prob oust those and try a set of 125 later in the season. id think they wud be a smoother set of 120s without the weight of the 130s. and knowing NS , high adn very tight. the 120s go a bit low for most folks , an dth e 130s are prob too heavy id hope thy offer a high flight without the vibrations of the 120X nad not the swing speed requireed for the 2g18s(130s) my poor old arms are getign tired!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capedgolfer Posted February 23, 2015 Report Share Posted February 23, 2015 125 is very similar to DG profile. DP is the 120 prototype (same shaft) 2G18 is the 130 prototype (same shaft.) 125 on your chart would be between DP & 2G18 for flight & length & descent. C10 would be heavier than DP and lower & flatter. 2S14 would be even heavier than C10 and lower & flatter yet. E11 I believe is closer to a 2F15. I'm not sure your 2F15 decent is accurate. Unless you have an extremely strong tail wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted February 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 the 2 f15 was meant to show its a rounder arc not high and drop or low and bite . i find it the loopiest of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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