Danj Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Does this copper plating process work with clubs that have tungsten plugs in them? Have you got any before and after shots from used clubs? I'd like to see how much you can refresh a set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lousifers Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hi Chris, Can you compare between Soft black over the head (including club face) vs. NiCr Satin Chrome Face Blackened only on the club face area? I mean in term of spin and feel (if it changes the club feel on impact), etc. Also, the price of each will be about the same? Not sure I'll do which to which set but really itchy since you posted this Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Copper beryllium is about the closest to epon copper colour I have seen, I think it was called BECU back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 That looks like patina from what I can see looking on my phone. If it's actually the carbon steel rusting, that would suggest very poor or extremely thin coverage. Patina is from oxidation of copper, but it doesn't damage the metal. The copper will definitely turn brown left untouched, and several things can advance the oxidation. I'd be surprised if that's actually rust, but the quickest way to tell is to use a little metal cleaner. If it turns orange again, patina was the right word. If it shows the carbon steel, whole other story. Thanks Chris for the experiment, and thanks K for another lesson in copper. I think that is going to be the spot on test of true rust or not. Since rust is corrosive, using the cleaner and wiping would reveal what is under the finish. If it is patina on copper, it should just shine right up. Brilliant! (no pun intended ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Hi Chris, Can you compare between Soft black over the head (including club face) vs. NiCr Satin Chrome Face Blackened only on the club face area? I mean in term of spin and feel (if it changes the club feel on impact), etc. Also, the price of each will be about the same? Not sure I'll do which to which set but really itchy since you posted this Mark I haven't had time to test everything yet, the Chrome or Satin with blackened face feels awesome to hit, it's a nice raw impact and the only way to really get the best of both worlds of feel and looks. I would use vinegar and WD-40 from time to time on the face. Soft black feels pretty much like raw as well, thats more of a coating vs a plating so it wears nicely but also feels great. I can't comment about spin besides that Raw after some rust can enhance spin. As for prices, the most expensive are the black boron, teflon black, teflon satin. but there are also other considerations like the design of the cavity and if it's got an undercut or any materials that could possibly melt in the finishing process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donzelly Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I will have to start saving up. These finishes look great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 re think on my choice for wedges Chris.. given they are all about feel. Can you do soft black with blackened face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 re think on my choice for wedges Chris.. given they are all about feel. Can you do soft black with blackened face? Soft black is not a plating the face is technically already considered raw so not sure why but I think it can be done, I don't suggest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted September 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 New options: - Copper Under layer before ANY finish, yes you could do Copper under Copper - CNC re-grooving and milling marks, expensive but we remove the original plating, mill the face/grooves, then send back to finishers this is also available on irons but keep in mind that face milling is a big loss in weight where grooves only isn't.. In the works: Shaving Driver faces to High COR! We have many customers that have sent in heads for refinishing, can't wait till people get their stuff back and share their experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted September 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 Here's a little update: Copper Satin is more stable than I had originally thought. It's very dry in my area so not the best place to test rust/patina but every day I have been spraying it down with water and not drying it leaving it outdoors. It's starting to pick up some different hue's of purple, blue & gold. Does anyone know what chemical I can add to increase the amount of purple? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 That is actually starting to get a nice used look to it. Do you know what the actual process is to get this satin copper finish? Are the heads dipped in copper at some point then tools/chemicals used to get the soft satin texture? Also, what playing characteristics would a copper under layer add? My guess would be an event softer feel, but I'll defer to any experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 That is actually starting to get a nice used look to it. Do you know what the actual process is to get this satin copper finish? Are the heads dipped in copper at some point then tools/chemicals used to get the soft satin texture? Also, what playing characteristics would a copper under layer add? My guess would be an event softer feel, but I'll defer to any experts. Diggin that Leica avatar! I really don't know the process, lots of dipping in various chemicals, also brushing on the wheel for satin look. Copper creates a softer feel at impact, also increases the head weight a little. We have to charge a bit more because sometimes it messes up the outer finish so it must be redone on our dime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukantwin Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Diggin that Leica avatar! I really don't know the process, lots of dipping in various chemicals, also brushing on the wheel for satin look. Copper creates a softer feel at impact, also increases the head weight a little. We have to charge a bit more because sometimes it messes up the outer finish so it must be redone on our dime. can i get a quote for my 302s copper on copper???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 can i get a quote for my 302s copper on copper???? sure, please email me [email protected] with as much details as possible on what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Here's a little update: Copper Satin is more stable than I had originally thought. It's very dry in my area so not the best place to test rust/patina but every day I have been spraying it down with water and not drying it leaving it outdoors. It's starting to pick up some different hue's of purple, blue & gold. Does anyone know what chemical I can add to increase the amount of purple? IMG_3992.JPG IMG_3991.JPG IMG_3990.JPG Torching it is probably your best bet to bring out purple, Chris. Too much time with the torch and it will go brown. Of course, metal cleaner (I use Bar Keeper's Friend) will bring it right back to orange. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) Does anyone know what chemical I can add to increase the amount of purple? IMG_3992.JPG IMG_3991.JPG IMG_3990.JPG I bought a product to help "patina" copper a couple of years a go. Unfortunately the label is hard to read now. Called "Patina-_ _ " (2 cursive letters I can't read) I believe the company is "A-West" Box 1144 Woodstock Ga. 30188 Can't swear to the address being right as it's hard to read the label It brought out the Patina Edited September 6, 2014 by idrive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Any members had any 'works' done yet. Pictures please.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 I have set of wedges coming back in a few days will post pics then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Any members had any 'works' done yet. Pictures please.......... Lots in the works right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 So I got back my Crazy wedges from TSG Club Works I sent in both the 52 and 58 wedges, they were unplated raw wedges. Over the past two years they had rusted over and had many little dings in the sole. After discussing my options with Chris I went with the Soft Black finish. We added paint fill to the the back of the wedges to give them some added flare. The TSG crew were able to remove the dings and make the wedges look brand new. I am happy with the work and now am ready to move on with another Club works project. Please see the attached photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Awesome! Is the finish in the first pic the same as the others? Looks much darker, almost like Black Boron. Love the soft black though, great choice...been thinking about what to send in and lagging because of indecision, but now you got me motivated to get some stuff done pronto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 The finish is the same the lighting is a little different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 The finish is the same the lighting is a little different LET us know how the finish wears. thanks ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Here is a better pic from our craftman. not the best light and pardon the finger prints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 that is nice! what do you suggest for personal 2? something not shiny but will be durable just as the original finish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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