Seven s15c Preliminary review.

[Mjr. D]

Finally got around to shafting a couple (4 and 7 iron) of my Seven irons. 4 iron is shafted with TT Monaco Proto and 7 with Recoil Proto.

Here is my preliminary review (2 range sessions and a few shots in a round).

Looks:

Nice. Very simple. Compact but not intimidating. Nice thin but not too thin top line. Nice setup at address. They look like a players cavity/muscle back hybrid.

I wish they had the Seven logo stamped on the back as well or in place of the "SEVEN" written there now. I find them a little plain looking as is. Craftsmanship and style is well done overall but a tad boring for my taste.

Feel:

s15c is the reason I bought these. I'm not disappointed but I'm not wowed. They're soft. They feel very nice. They just don't seem to have a distinct or unique feel. Epon has that spongey soft distinct feel as do Onoffs. Miura has that dense soft-solid feel. Mizuno has that buttery cloud soft feel. These just feel soft, good, nice. Nothing at all wrong with the feel but nothing unique about it either. I'll update this when I shaft a 6 with a Modus 3, SPB and if possible an MCI although I think the MCI's are too big.

Accuracy:

Very impressed with the accuracy. Point and shoot. They're very accurate. I know shaft plays big roll but these are as consistently accurate as anything I've played if not more.

Ease of use:

For the size they're pretty damn easy to hit. Toe misses are penalized for sure. Not a lot of toe forgiveness. Heel forgiveness is fine. Honestly they're surprisingly easy to hit based on their size. I wouldn't recommend them to a 15hc over something bigger and more forgiving but I wouldn't tell them not to consider these either. Turf interaction seems excellent. I don't seem to hit many thick or thin shots with these compared to say the 302s... for whatever reason.

Distance:

This is the strangest part. These are extremely long. I don't really understand why. They're not strong lofted (I don't think), they're s15c, they're a muscle-cavilty style iron and there's nothing I notice about them that tells me they should be so long but regardless, they are damn damn long. My 2011 onoff forged irons are a 1/2" longer, they're strong lofted and more forgiving yet I was hitting the Sevens as long as these at the range yesterday. I was kind of shocked.

Overall:

Based on performance, these seem to be a good as anything I've played when considering distance, accuracy and ease of use based on the type of club they are. They look like 10 and below HC irons but a 15 shouldn't shy away. Performance is excellent. My only criticisms are the looks aren't going to blow you away (they're nice but not beautiful compared to several other jspec irons, the feel is soft but lacks character if that makes sense and toe misses are pretty penalized. At the end of the day If you're looking for performance in a muscle-cavity hybrid style club that almost plays like a blade you can't go wrong with these. They're excellent. They're dead accurate, surprisingly long and easy to hit. If you want unique feel, stunning looks and possibly performance to match they're may be a few other irons you'll like more.

[nobmontana]

Very interesting about the distance gain you are seeing.

I recently got Buchi VS200 ( S15C ) wedges shafted with Modus Wedge 105.

Modus Wedge 105 is definitely a lighter shaft compared to what I had in my previous wedge set ( TS X Wedge '13 ) .

While not entirely sure what material was used for the Tourstage wedge, I imagine it is either S20C or S25C

as with most forged wedges from Japan. Tourstages had WV115 shafts in them.

Comparing the distance:

Tourstage full shot 52 deg 100 yrd carry

Buchi full shot 52 deg 120 yrd carry

Tourstage full shot 58 deg 80 yrd carry

Buchi full shot 58 deg 100 yrd carry

As you can see, I am getting about 20 yards extra on my new wedges, would be really interesting to know why.

It's hard to believe all that distance gain is coming from lighter shaft alone.

I guess my question would be... Does softer Carbon Steel provide higher COR?

[needmoregolf]

excellent review, was wondering about these and you addressed all the points in question, thanks for posting this!

[golfer75]

excellent review, was wondering about these and you addressed all the points in question, thanks for posting this!

Ditto!

[Mjr. D]

You're welcome!

[Mjr. D]

Not sure about the softer carbon and higher Cor... I don't see how but who knows...

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Goal was to make an iron that wasn't gushy soft and had the right amount feedback from mis**ts and compact/workable like a blade.

Remember feel comes from design, loft, sole etc.. very little comes from material. S15/20/25 all feel similar but as you mentioned the center strikes feel as if the ball disappears while heel and toe mis**ts is firmer.

Keep in mind the type of player this is for, Mid to high cappers usually prefer softer feel, low capper & pro's need that feedback so we really feel what we created was the best of both worlds.

Lofts are somewhat traditional with a 47* PW. In our testing distance wasn't noticeably longer, this CB is the smallest 7CB we will make, with the addition of 2 new MB's we needed to make the upcoming new CB more forgiving, slightly thicker, and same soft center with good feedback on the mis**ts.

[Mjr. D]

Ya man not many complaints. Its a VERY good performing iron. I was just hoping for a little more distinct uber soft feel because of the s15c but with that being said it's not like they're not soft. They're very soft. Great all around iron.

[supo]

I want to add a few thouhgts on the wedges as well...

Chris let me have a test of a set of the 52 and 56 chrome wedges. shafted them with NS 125s

Straight out of the box into my hot little hands they look really good, same finish it seems as the golds putter with emblazing on it ,not sure what its called but it presents very well. the shiny chrome with the label etched , damn good look, very minimalistic, no extra words , numbers nothing. its as simple as u cud get.

shape.

they have a striaght line sole ,the are of mid size, def not comapct , def not BIG. a higher toe and a bit of offset which frames the ball close to the face, (esp the 52) they have a thinner flat sole , and a thicker top line which def improves feel. , a higher toe to make hittign the ball very easy. but for me this is where i ran into problems when i tried to move the ball i found they went too far left and it wasnt natural to cut them.

the 52 has more offset than the 56 and that makes hitting down on the ball STRAIGHT.., very easy i found, i didnt miss**t one with the 52 over 2 days practice with them, but i dont really use the 52 that much so i dont really pay that much attention to it , but i did notice i got great spin, and a very flat trajectory , the 52 certianly bit. the grasss on impact.

the 56 i spent a hole heap of time with, the spin is excellent, the look at address is abit bigger (than im usd to now) grooves look superb.

striaght shots were fine t when i hit down into it and tried to drag it back miles.

verstailty wise, i didnt find them overly so.., , to my eye they seemed not to like being layed open , i was fidgeting with the look, i was playing on grass like clouds so soft but the 56 ddint appear to look comfy being moved into unnatural position.

but for hitting dead stra8 a pins it was excellent

impact, these are pretty soft. i was saying they are not like epon soft, they are kinda like a crisp dense feel like crazy protos.

shape isnt too dissimialr to those either.

i found the spin with them to be spot on, they werent backing off the greens and they wernt roling fwd either , for my eye they were dead set spot on. had them shafted with NS 125 so the shafts arnt that friendly! but they still did what i wanted them to do.

overall, these have lovely look / lovely feel, but for what i require especially from the 56 , they didnt suit me.

they have a bit of offset which to me is a killer. but for 99% of the rest of the golfing world its a non issue. i think they wud play well on harder pan grass as well, the bounce, im not sure what it is , but it wasnt big bounce prob didnt help on the grass i was playing offf. id think they wud crisp the ball prtety well on harder stuff.

i found that bec the 56 looked uncomfy beign laid open a bit was a detriement and i was struggling to find the sweet spot with it unless ihit it dead straight which is somehing i never do.

my thoughts are these wud be a set of all rounders for guys of a higher capper nature that either dont want or need to get too funky with thier wedges. if tis aim shoot at a pin, no probs what so ever ,they imparted very good spin. and felt lovely.

IMO even tho the shape isnt my thing and they didnt suit my eye ( i like the tourstage x-wedge shape which seems no one else in this universe likes...!) id guess they are prob a goer for a lot of guys.

if ur a higher capper def worth a look of if u u dont like big broad soles and either no bounce or lots of bounce and like hitting dead straight. these are worth a peek.

thanks to chirs for the op. to try these out

Edited September 9, 2015 by supo67

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Thanks Stew,

Finish is actually bright Satin

56* has no offset It's 5.5 FP. 60* starts 6.0FP which is onset. 52* is 4.5 which is slight offset but for some reason you didn't notice it on the 52* and did on the 56* which has none.

It's geared to the same target player as the Vokey and tested with mostly scratch players against A-Grind, Crazy, and Vokeys.