ARIC Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 I am getting a set of Hiro Matsumoto irons and want a gap and sandwedge to go with the set... I would be interested in thoughts regarding great wedges out there. I am considering the following: MOZ 515 MOZ TR-306 HIRO M Series Appreciate any thoughts you all have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tei3rn Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 I am getting a set of Hiro Matsumoto irons and want a gap and sandwedge to go with the set... I would be interested in thoughts regarding great wedges out there. I am considering the following:MOZ 515 MOZ TR-306 HIRO M Series Appreciate any thoughts you all have. Those MOZ wedges sure are sweet, but look at the Scratch wedges. Custom ground to your specs. Can't go wrong. Contact Ari on here or go thru their link on the front page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather1 Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 MOZ I belive is forged by Ishihara who I think also does the forgings for scratch plus with scratch you get to customize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 MOZ I belive is forged by Ishihara who I think also does the forgings for scratch plus with scratch you get to customize. Sorry to bum you guys but Ishihara isn't a forgery, Mr Ishihara is hand grind specialist and the forged heads are purchased from himeji. I am talking to ARIC extensively on his best of the best set and I found out in my research that many of the MOZ wedges have grandpa grinds, I'm talking some wedges with 13* and 16* bounce like the 515's. Also tour feedback is the steel is way to soft at 1018 and my buddies on the J-tour claim the wedges feel great and perform well but don't last half a season with the amount they practice. That shouldn't be a problem for you guys you only keep wedges for 3 weeks anyway :spit: I highly reccomend Mizuno wedges over Zodia, MOZ, Hiro and just about anything else, perhaps a tie with the maru or X-wedges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather1 Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Chris, when you say that 1018 is so soft it doesn't last half a season it seems on the pga that is a great lifetime since I think I read Phil goes through like 4 set's. Also for the average golfer should I be concerned with the durability since I have a set on order. By who exactly are the irons forged and how does the forging compare to miura or miz. japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 Chris, when you say that 1018 is so soft it doesn't last half a season it seems on the pga that is a great lifetime since I think I read Phil goes through like 4 set's. Also for the average golfer should I be concerned with the durability since I have a set on order. By who exactly are the irons forged and how does the forging compare to miura or miz. japan. I think there is a little to much attention to where the club is made or forged, China makes great forgings as does the U.S.A and Japan and to ask someone to compare the forging, I suggest a scientist over me. to compare the feel is so subjective because its all about the shaft, grip, and vibration up the shaft that the forged head gives off. IMO 1018 is too soft and that 1020 or 25 would be optimal, If you like hard go cast or SS303. Just last week I thought mizuno Irons were forged near Cambodia somewhere and recently found out they were forged and assembled in Japan, that didn't change the way they performed one bit. What I don't want is to turn the " Made in Japan" thing into a Tour Issue or Prototype semi deceptive selling point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godfather1 Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 The usual prestige to Japan made as opposed to China, or anywhere else is that japanese tend to pay more attention to detail, which on a side note is a top reason they yen is such a strong currency. Bottom line is your killing me with this too soft business I have scratch on order, but in 2-3 months I might have to be a ho and get another set another set of irons/wedges. I might wear them out by then. :money: :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAQ Posted August 31, 2004 Report Share Posted August 31, 2004 I think wedges are almost like putters in the personal preference type of category. But, while I really like my Zodia's that doesn't keep me from trying others. I think the Mizuno's look very good too. I look for certain relief and bounce/loft characteristics. I don't like my wedges real flat and I need the help off the turf or out of the sand. I also like the leading edge to be able to lay flat when I open it up a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 Also tour feedback is the steel is way to soft at 1018 and my buddies on the J-tour claim the wedges feel great and perform well but don't last half a season with the amount they practice. That shouldn't be a problem for you guys you only keep wedges for 3 weeks anyway :spit: First, I really like my Scratch wedges. I'll be playing them until the grooves wear out. And then I'll get new ones. To me the softness of the steel is secondary. What's most important is that they are made to my specs and perform for me. Second, I don't really care what Tour players think. Frankly, why are these guys complaining anyway? They get their clubs for free. So what's their problem? Plus, with the amount these guys practise they would go through 2 to 3 sets of wedges anyway. Doesn't matter how soft or hard the steel is. haribo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornyjuan Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 It actually does matter how hard or soft the steel feels. FE wedges will give you more spin than stainless steel wedges (of course different groove cuts will affect this as well). Depending on what conditions you play in this does matter. Some wedges feel softer and some wedges feel crisper. It all depends on what feel you want. I think Chris was just giving everyone a heads up about the durability of the wedges. If someone's going to drop $250-$300 per wedge they would like to know it will last more than 1 golf season. To a pro it doesnt matter but to me and other's on this board i think it's good to know. I don't think the pros are complaining but giving their feedback on these wedges. They don't like the bounces on them and they feel too soft...that is their opinion just how I think balata balls aren't durable enough, or cally's look like shovels, or the mr23 blades aren't forgiving enough (is this complaining?) I care what tour pros think just like I would get feedback from anyone on this forum. Just like your decision to buy scratch wedges...if you had never heard any feedback from anyone or knew anything about the wedges would you have bought them? There are plenty of retail offerings that are awesome wedges even if they are not made to my specs. I have a set of scratch wedges and they are good...but my retail x-wedges, maru's, and mizuno's are all better in my opinion. I'm sure you can find just as many people that love scratch custom wedges as any other offering. But i wouldn't doubt for a second if proto vokeys, cleveland tours, moz, hiro matsumoto,custom mizunos wouldn't be just as good or even better than scratch even if they don't have custom grinds. It comes down to what you like...nothing more nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haribo Posted September 1, 2004 Report Share Posted September 1, 2004 I don't mean to argue here anything. I was just giving MY opinion. Tried all kind of retail wedges. Cleveland, Vokey, Mizuno, etc. etc. To be blunt I didn't like any of them. The only wedges before I got Scratch one's that were half decent were Trusty Rusty's. They gave me the versatility I was looking for but still had a few flaws. At least for my game. I went with Scratch not because I liked the reviews. I went with Scratch because they could do for me exactly what I wanted. Don't have somebody at hand who can grind clubs for me the way I want. Ari and I had lengthy discussions and at the end I inspired them to a grind even they never did before. The wedges turned out great. One of them I actually sent back for further improvements. Again, I knew exactly what I wanted to be changed and they could accomodate my wishes. To give Ari credit he had a some pretty good ideas how to make things even better. Btw, same thing happened to the third wedge I ordered recently and hopefully will receive today. Again, something even they didn't do before. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Pro but due to a lot of practise and experimenting I figured out what I want in a wedge. Since I'm not a touring proI don't belief Cleveland or Mizuno or whoever would do that for me. haribo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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