+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 33" = 350g 34" = 340g 35" = 330g This is what for a long time was considered optimal balance for a putter. What do you think about that? Is a heavy head weight a trend? Would you go to 360 or 370g+ heads? I've experienced heavy heads help me with normal to slower greens and lighter better with faster putts. What say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leffe Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) I would say vice versa... It´s easier to make a soft/smooth stroke (and avoid yips) on a faster green with a heavy head. The same goes for strong wind. Lighter head for slower greens when you have to swing the putter to get somewhere. But what would I know... Been playing since 1974 Keep on putting . PS. 370g+ heads all days in a week Edited June 20, 2015 by Leffe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
604_skyline Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 34" and 350gram is my preferred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamont6266 Posted June 21, 2015 Report Share Posted June 21, 2015 I have to side with the OP's formula. Light heads transfer less energy to the ball, with a similar stroke. On fast greens, you don't have to worry about sledge hammering a putt past the hole due to a heavy head. On slow greens, you have to really hit a light putter that can sometimes cause a player to change his stroke or get wristy. But, like the second poster also noted, what do I know? Been playing since '71 and building/re-building since '97. I have learned that every player has a formula that works for them. Anyone who forces "standards" is shooting themselves in the foot, when people figure out how personalized putters should be. LaMont in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 lighter shorter clubs for faster greens is the way i go for me. i go . heavier .longer for when its miost or wet. ive found i like 360 gram heads best, and change the shaft legnth to compensate a bit if its slow ill tkae out a longer one 35-36-40 inch maybe. if its lightning ill got 33-31 there is something to se said for a cosistant head weight. im in the process of swapping all my shafts out for those mamiya FF shafts and just warying the lengths they play ,they are light but theres something very particluar about them that i love. also a counter balanced grip can do wonders for a putter that wont " work" properly!!!! winn makes a good un thoughts?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 360g head weight at 33.5" with a standard sized cabretta Gripmaster is my sweet spot. Fast or slow greens...doesn't matter. My old school all wrist putting stroke seems to allow me to easily adjust for speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 360-365g @ 34.5" is the perfect setup for me. heavier grip for some counterbalance effect also helps smooth everything out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 355-360 at 34inches is my sweet spot. Use different milling patterns on the face based on speed of greens. Faster greens more aggressive mill, slow greens very little milling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 errr actually ash id not thought about that. thats prob one good reason why my betti is always short on slow greens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Yep, I've noticed a deep milling can take a foot off of a 12-15ft putt with the same stroke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 definitely something to consider, thanks for bringing that to light ash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 Guys i have been working with different milling patterns to find the one that works best under each condition. My home track has crazy fast greens. I found the PZ milling from golds works great here, the Machine putter milling also works well When i play my brothers home course the greens are slower i use a Lajosi with no milling on it. This plan works well for me and has more effect on the roll then the overall weight of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 heavier head on slower greens lighter head on faster greens heavier head for average skill players lighter for more precise or skilled players This is generalizing it but we noticed that mid to high cappers have more 2 putts with heavier heads. In regards to face milling, PZ or Next Gen PZ actually have less distance per putt than a perfectly flat non milled face or even lightly milled face but putting is not about the most distance it's about visuals, roll, feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 heavier head on slower greens lighter head on faster greens heavier head for average skill players lighter for more precise or skilled players This is generalizing it but we noticed that mid to high cappers have more 2 putts with heavier heads. In regards to face milling, PZ or Next Gen PZ actually have less distance per putt than a perfectly flat non milled face or even lightly milled face but putting is not about the most distance it's about visuals, roll, feel. Chris You are correct putting is about a lot of different factors coming together in harmony. If all factors being equal then milling does effect the roll of the ball. Since milled faces grab the ball at the moment of impact the ball doesn't jump off the face but rather being its roll down the line. This is perceived as slower pace. Flat or non-milled faces cause the ball to jump at impact and thus have greater initial acceleration which is perceived as faster pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staxxx Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I am considered a more than good putter in our little circle of golf players and feel that my Ketch has helped me make more 6' putts than ever before. I use a heavy putter at 388 gms, but one that feels lighter due to being counter-balanced. This is my second counter-balanced putter and at the moment it is my preferred combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 For Zen users or blade putters ever notice how your more precise or dialed in with it? They are very light weight usually 330g and like a muscle back you have to really focus and zero in on what your doing thus why we tend to make better strokes with them similar how to we are more focused when hitting blades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 For Zen users or blade putters ever notice how your more precise or dialed in with it? They are very light weight usually 330g and like a muscle back you have to really focus and zero in on what your doing thus why we tend to make better strokes with them similar how to we are more focused when hitting blades. I thought the Zen head was pretty heavy at 360+ g?? I have a Yamada Razor that is 360+ g as well and both do really require more concentration but i definitely get the pacing better on medium to short putts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I thought the Zen head was pretty heavy at 360+ g?? I have a Yamada Razor that is 360+ g as well and both do really require more concentration but i definitely get the pacing better on medium to short putts. D I think the Zen is on the lighter side. I added weight via Gold's to bring up the weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 330g for the Zen does not sound right. Mine felt perfect right out of the box and I think I would have fits with mine if it weighed that little. When Craig had his Zen at Gold's, it's stock weight was recorded at 357g before modifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 i believe the Zen was listed at 350g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky3 Posted June 26, 2015 Report Share Posted June 26, 2015 330-340 @ 34" for me......I was brought up in the PiNG era..........350 always makes me conscious of the weight........ Irrespective of green speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 i believe the Zen was listed at 350g Thats right Ash, listed @ 350....perfect weight for the perfect putter IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Something I've noticed regarding headweight (and swingweight) is that the putter style can alter my perception of headweight. For example a heel shafted blade putter feels heavier than a plumber's neck putter, which in turn feels heavier than a center shafted putter. However, in reality the center shafted is actually the heaviest followed by the plumbers neck, and the heel shafted is the lightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegaman Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I like a heavier feel. I'm a putter novice and just pick up a putter and try it, if the head is nice and heavy feel-wise I get along with it. The typical Anser feels like there is "no" head for me, makes me too fast and even jerky. A heavier Anser style is something to try..I've been using thr Ben Hogan by Betti "baby ben" and the Rife 2-bar blade for many years. I also like the shaft to be at least 34,preferrably 35. Again, thr longer length makes the head feel heavier of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 330-340 @ 34" for me......I was brought up in the PiNG era..........350 always makes me conscious of the weight........ Irrespective of green speed. I did the 330g weight the other day ( GF mallet ) center shaft on slick greens and putted my best in many months. I then tried my custom 2-ball CS that is 370g, while I like the feel of the weight better I didn't putt as well. It could be that sometimes what feels better doesn't mean it plays better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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