phillypete Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 So I went to talk to the clubbuilder who I went to for a fitting about getting an NV in 983K. He said it would be a very bad idea. He said since it is a bore through head it will turn the shaft into a telephone pole. He also said Aldila is making an NV for Titliest that is suited for a bore through, but it probably wouldn't be available till next year. The other glimmer of hope he gave me was that he could possibly chop the shaft that is in it now and put the aldila on top of that so its just like a regular shaft insertion. I know some of you guys said you had success with the NV and the 983... so whats the deal? Is this guy full of it or is he right? I am not sure I want to take a gamble on this Titliest NV what other shafts would work well in this head? I am looking for something with a mid-high or high kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naylit Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 A full insertion with an already tip stiff shaft will definitely make it play more stout than a regular bore. My kid brother shafted his 983e with a 75s fully inserted and I love it. It definitely plays more like an x. I would suggest a 2" insertion untipped for the shaft to play true to flex. Just my thoughts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProSpec Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Not a problem at all Philly. True if you insert the NV (any shaft) all the way in the Titleist it will play about one flex stiffer than stated. A 1.75 or 2" insertion would allow it to play true to flex and perform exactly like a fully inserted "Titleist NV" from the custom dept. I believe all Aldila does for Tit. is add 2" to the tip of a standard NV so it plays true to flex when fully inserted. Quite a few, not all, of the shafts Titleist uses in the custom dept. are made like this for them. btw. The NV installed in a 983 is available through Tit. custom right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judge-smails Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 So I went to talk to the clubbuilder who I went to for a fitting about getting an NV in 983K.He said it would be a very bad idea. He said since it is a bore through head it will turn the shaft into a telephone pole. He also said Aldila is making an NV for Titliest that is suited for a bore through, but it probably wouldn't be available till next year. The other glimmer of hope he gave me was that he could possibly chop the shaft that is in it now and put the aldila on top of that so its just like a regular shaft insertion. I know some of you guys said you had success with the NV and the 983... so whats the deal? Is this guy full of it or is he right? I am not sure I want to take a gamble on this Titliest NV what other shafts would work well in this head? I am looking for something with a mid-high or high kick. Is that combo a bad idea...no... will it play stiff... yes! I don't really think you need to put it in only 2" but that is just my opinion. I don't know what you have been accustomed to but I have been playing titliest drivers with some fairly stout shafts full board for around 7 years now. I had a 975D with a proforce 75 stiff full board for a long time (the combo now immortalized by the great Anthony Sorentino :lol: :lol: :lol: ) ... i still think it is one of the best combos out. I had a 975J with a Vista Pro 80 full bore and to this day the combo might be my favorite of all time. I tried the 2" insertion thing with an Apache in my first 983e and I hated it! The club just didn't feel right to me... others have had sucess with this though. I actually have a 983E with an aldila 85-s coming UPS tomorrow. It is pretty cold here in PA though so I don't know if I will get a chance to play it and give you a review! I am not a huge swinger and don't play an X flex in anything clubs and the full bore/stiff shaft combo had been ok for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillypete Posted December 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 well I suggested going to a Reg flex to compensate, but he said the problem was more with the kick point. He said it totally throughs the kick point out of the window and all the high tech engineered goodness that we pay for. In other words it turns it into an expensive wooden stick and you lose any sort of advantage in playing a graphite shaft. Does this sound right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAQ Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 So I went to talk to the clubbuilder who I went to for a fitting about getting an NV in 983K.He said it would be a very bad idea. He said since it is a bore through head it will turn the shaft into a telephone pole. He also said Aldila is making an NV for Titliest that is suited for a bore through, but it probably wouldn't be available till next year. The other glimmer of hope he gave me was that he could possibly chop the shaft that is in it now and put the aldila on top of that so its just like a regular shaft insertion. I know some of you guys said you had success with the NV and the 983... so whats the deal? Is this guy full of it or is he right? I am not sure I want to take a gamble on this Titliest NV what other shafts would work well in this head? I am looking for something with a mid-high or high kick. This shaft plays a little stiff to begin with. If you are a strong swinger and don't have any trouble with Trajectory then go for it. Just keep in mind that it's a higher kick and it's going to be stiff. I don't like to play any shaft in the 983 when it's not fully inserted. The club is made that way. I buy my shafts with that in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillypete Posted December 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 so you think I should go Reg and stick in all the way... hehehe that sounds sooo dirty!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProSpec Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 so you think I should go Reg and stick in all the way... hehehe that sounds sooo dirty!! Well as far as compromising the driver with a 2" insertion... The Aldila tech. (I believe it's John) recommends the 1.75 or 2" insertion for flex control, so I would think it's fine. btw. I agree about talking insertion in a Tit. head. Always seems kinda dirty when your typing it. p.s. A lot of PGA guys play the 983s with 2" insertion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGB Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 I tend to side with FAQ on this. Hedge on the flex if you must, but play the head the way it was designed to be played. Or go with another shaft if the combo truly does not suit your swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKFLY Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Get the stiffy and go with a partial insertion of 1.75 inches (as per aldila to play to flex). Some people go to two inches. ( Now that sounds dirty). Maybe one of the clubmakers can join in ... but I plan on having my T-Speeder pulled out of my 983 completely, only insert my stiff NV75 2 inches, wait for the epoxy to dry, then fill the bore through with some black conap epoxy, cover with tape let it dry, clean up with solvent and I am ready to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
br61 Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 I had a guy(Chip Usher) install a NV "prototype" 95 stiff in my 983K this past summer, in July, I think. he drilled out 2" and inserted the NV95 2" in it. It played pretty close to it's true flex and felt good. If you wanna go all the way but still want to retain stiff flex, look into regular flex NV's. Otherwise, use stiff NV and have it inserted 2" or 1.75". I don't think 1/4" makes that much difference anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judge-smails Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 so you think I should go Reg and stick in all the way... hehehe that sounds sooo dirty!! Pete Here is the problem... if the logic is that it is a design issue, and that it will not kick right inserted full bore than you will still have the problem even with the regular flex. You might want to consider another shaft if you are worried about the problem. Try the purple ice shaft or something that works with the bore-thru. I have one in my LFF and it is a monster. I guess if the Aldila is something you are set on the 2" insertion would be the thing to do over going with a regular flex. I had my local club maker drill out the stock shaft in one of my 983e's so I could try the whole 2" insertion thing and the guy butcher it!!! The paint was all burnt around the hosel and there was even a nice drill mark on the top of the head!! Just make sure you are having someone knowledgable do it! By the way, I am such a ho I forgot that I actually owned an 983K with an Aldila 75-s sometime this summer. I hit some absolute bombs with it but hated the K head. I didn't find that it played any stiffer than other shafts I have played full bore in a titty head, but I didn't keep it long enough to give a full review... sold it after 3 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Br 61 is pretty much on the money. But I must ask you first " What are you trying to achieve on this driver to fit your swing? " And some detail about your swing and play will help also. Then we can give you a better recomendation. So many way of putting the shaft w/ diffent result on this head, not knowing what you are trying to do...all recomendation are useless. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HipCheck Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 so you think I should go Reg and stick in all the way... hehehe that sounds sooo dirty!! The Reg. flex will have higher torque. Remember that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillypete Posted December 4, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Br 61 is pretty much on the money.But I must ask you first " What are you trying to achieve on this driver to fit your swing? " And some detail about your swing and play will help also. Then we can give you a better recomendation. So many way of putting the shaft w/ diffent result on this head, not knowing what you are trying to do...all recomendation are useless. Joe With the current shaft I tend to hit it too high, with a little sloppy swing resulting in a balloon. I would like to bring the shot down a little and keep ballooning to a minimum. Over all I don't feel this stock shaft working for me at all, it just feels dead and uinresponsive. I also want to go with something heavier to help me drop it into the slot. SS:100-110 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey3108 Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Br 61 is pretty much on the money.But I must ask you first " What are you trying to achieve on this driver to fit your swing? " And some detail about your swing and play will help also. Then we can give you a better recomendation. So many way of putting the shaft w/ diffent result on this head, not knowing what you are trying to do...all recomendation are useless. Joe With the current shaft I tend to hit it too high, with a little sloppy swing resulting in a balloon. I would like to bring the shot down a little and keep ballooning to a minimum. Over all I don't feel this stock shaft working for me at all, it just feels dead and uinresponsive. I also want to go with something heavier to help me drop it into the slot. SS:100-110 Only base on what you got above, IMO you need to go to 85 grams to see the different. Now the flex for a 100-110mph should be around SX +/-. Base on BR61 said above you can go +/- on tipping. For example, you can insert an X only 1 1/2 " or go w/ an S with 2 1/2" -3". Remember that tipping an S flex will create a "slightly" higher kick point and tighter torque. Now depending on the kick point different on S and X flex, you determine which flex to pick to achieve your desire final spec. Good luck! Joe PS:IMO on titleist head, inserting more than 2" is the same thing of tipping a shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonHack Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 ss:100-110 is a wide range.... just my 2 cents, you go from S to true X in one session.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 This one is radical but it has worked for a friend. Chop of some of the Titleist Hosel!!! Saw off an inch and a half. Grind it to a smooth finish, install the shaft put a ferrule. There you have it a Titleist/NV that worksthe way it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillypete Posted December 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 ss:100-110 is a wide range.... just my 2 cents, you go from S to true X in one session.... well right now my swing is really inconsistent... when I really buckle down and really go at it I get up to 115, when I put a solid swing together its 109, when I suck its 98 on average... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terapins Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 So you guys are telling me to insert my nv 1.75 inches into my 983k to make the shaft play the way it is supposed to.. That starts just below the ferrule right. And then fill the hole in the bottom of the shaft with epoxy or a shaft tip.. that seems like a lot of space in the clubhead.. IF I stuck the shaft in all the way into the head how deep does it go 3 inches??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKFLY Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 So you guys are telling me to insert my nv 1.75 inches into my 983k to make the shaft play the way it is supposed to.. That starts just below the ferrule right. And then fill the hole in the bottom of the shaft with epoxy or a shaft tip.. that seems like a lot of space in the clubhead.. IF I stuck the shaft in all the way into the head how deep does it go 3 inches??? I believ it is 3 inches - Depending on how stiff you want it to play, you caan insert as far as you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHADY Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 I've got a 983K w/ an Aldila NV 95, and I cut the previous shaft out and drilled down 2 inches and left the remaining inch in the head. The shaft is 95 stiff flex, but when I put it on a frequency machine it came out to 7.0 Hope this information helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 I have an E and had the 75S NV installed at 1.75". I love it. I personally don't think that this type of installation (partial insertion) of any shaft effects the playability of the head. But that is my opinion. I had the T speeder in it before and it is a far better club now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogi Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Is it just common practice to insert shafts 1.75 to 2.00" on the titleist drivers? I reshafted mine 3 times last year and used the full insert and could never figure out why I couldnt work the ball from right to left. The balls would always cut right or go straight right. Wow, does this info help. I put S-flex, dropped to R-flex and was debating to put a A/L in the darn thing. Now I know whats up. Thanks all. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbleking Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Hi guys. Sorry to disturb you here. I'm a newbie and very interested into this stuff as I am wondering a lot about my future in driving!!! First of all, brief introduction: Chris, from France, Paris, mid-handicap player with around 8, and clearly fond of club making and golf clubs. I play Mizuno MP37 which I have to modify, 'cause I initially had a combo factory made MP30 (3 to 6)/MP37 (7 to PW), swingweight D3, D5 for PW. I replaced MP30 heads by MP37 as I finally prefer having the full set, but sw is D5 on those clubs and it is not ok. Shafts are Rifle Flighted 6.0. Now: I play 983E driver and 980F Strong fw. Shaft on the fw is Rifle 5.5 and seems to be ok, but a little bit heavy perhaps, so I am looking for alternative. Shaft on the driver is True Temper TX90 stiff and is great!!!! But a little bit short (43") as it seems those hawaïan guys are not very tall... Well, I have extraordinary feeling with the bulldog but I would like it to increase by 1", with the same balance. Don't care? Ok, let's go to the real point: I tried many drivers with the NV 65 and 75 shaft, nothing went ok. My problem with graphite shaft? Torque feeling on miscentered hits...but there is one exception: a pal of mine has a fantastic combo with a 980 5 fw with NV 75 S initially put on his driver but that broke because of araldite implosion...so, he made the shaft cut by 1.75" more than original cut for the driver and put it full inserted on the 5 wood head. I have only one thing to say: I would sale my mother to have this club in my bag. I know that it would be better for me to replace my steel shafts on my woods by this kinda graphite, but it is difficult to find somebody in France who would be able to operate in order to fit driver + 3 wood with NV 75 shaft exactly as it has been done for my pal's 5 wood. What do you think about all this except that you don't care? :wah: To finish this long first post, I ordered a 983E with NV 75X just to see how it works... PS: sorry for my english...I try to do my best everytime but it seems i am not very skillfull at it... :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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