gocchin Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 You know, many times I have had customer go buy elsewhere because they said our prices were too high and then come crying back to me when they found out the set of irons they bought for 1/3rd the price on our site snapped at the neck because they were fakes. Today I had a customer email me and rag on me for our outrageous pricing. He said we had the nerve to create such crazy prices and even charge shipping. I told him I'd be glad to price some clubs out for him if he told me what he was interested in and he gave me this link for a price match: http://www.100yeartrade.com/goods_aWQJMTAyMjE=.html This site claims R9 TP Forged irons from Japan. No TP badge, those R9 aren't forged but they say they are, the SW has a 56* and S in the sole... and the company is in China... HMMMMMMMM oh yeah the price is 265.00 with free shipping. I guess I cannot blame customers who are not familiar with the JDM market and its pricing but there are so many things on that site that just give it away... I wish people would be more careful as I hate to see them throw their money away for a piece of crap fake club. Sorry I just had to rant to people who I know would understand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodsie Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Hurray and a big "Attaboy" T for your Rant!! I've seen first hand some of what you are talking about and it breaks my heart to have to tell the customer that the Gear he brought in is Fake. Counterfeit R9's are everywhere now and at prices that should SCREAM out to the Buyer..."I'm a Fake". Also, in the area of Golf Shafts (both Steel and Graphite), I've seen more and more FAKES becoming available, so I would like to add them to your Rant as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabsquid Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Haha. I live in China and EVERYTHING is fake here from fake Johnny Walker Black Label, fake brand name shoes, watches, etc. and even milk and pharmaceuticals. It is truly amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) T, Remember the Crazy Black 80 I was telling you about? If you like, I can get it for you for $100 (I have to mark it up 100% for my trouble) direct from China but said made in Japan right on the shaft. People should know there is no free lunch. Since I am spending part time in Asia, I do come across many fake stuff and have actually play quite a few of theme for the fun of it. For those who know the JDM market and pricing structure, to be fair, TSG's prices is somewhere in between for North America and Europe customers but you are getting secure shipping and free 'consulting' service otherwise you would not be able to get in Japan and such hard to get items as Golds or Kamui. Edited February 5, 2010 by Duffer19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky3 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 TSG..... reassuringly expensive why shop anywhere else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonlui Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Just tell the guy to go buy at that site if they think they've found a better price. Even the fake stuff in China is fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjr. D Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 If you're a big enough idiot to fall for s**t like that, it's your own fault. Do some research before you buy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I am with you on this one T. The person that sent you his prices to beat is the one who should be beat. I do however feel sorry for him as he cannot tell fantasy from reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamnguy1 Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 That guy is pretty sad. People like that should be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoon Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 ive know how you feel. been a victim myself of some jdm heads that were supposed to be smuggled out of Tm china factory. everything is available even spider putters etc etc. they even have fake prov1s. i was gaming a supposedly jdm driver 4 years ago for months not realizing it was fake. i was hitting it so long. only to realize that the color scheme was all wrong and voila. i bet things have gotten even more high tech since. scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginrin Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Lots of people these days want their cake and eat it too,have bought many items from TSG and don't believe the prices were outrageous but fair.Golf gear is expensive in Japan,just like gas is expensive in Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutout33 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Man, took me a while to decide even to read this post! Didn't know folks actually were making fake JDM stuff. The way I see it now, as far as forged anything goes, stick with what you know. If you don't know, ask. Also, dealing with a certified custom club fitter wouldn't hurt either. That's truly the way I found out about Tour Spec...well, he told me about golf wrx and found out about gocchin and you guys through them. :p That's one reason, why I'm skeptical about getting any OEM stuff anymore. I mean, as far as I can tell, Taylor Made has the only true forged (made in, not assembled...) stuff in JP next to Mizuno...right? Heck, I'd play with Callaway's proto's if they were forged in JP (and if I could afford 'em. :p). Ever since I've been on the KZG bandwagon, I've been looking to see who else has forged blades in JP, especifically from th Keyoi plant. Another thing people should understand about the JP market, is that the prices gocchin has on Tour Spec, are very competitive to what the have in other store in JP. I'll admit, I've tried other sources to buy real JP spec stuff outside of this store and gocchin's prices are on point. Even if you'd try to use those auction sites that let you bid on Yahoo JP or even tourspecgolf, you're going to be in the same price range...period. Yeah, you may find a deal or luck up here and there, but it's far and few in between. (Trust me, I've looked and continue to look..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2on Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Man, took me a while to decide even to read this post! Didn't know folks actually were making fake JDM stuff. The way I see it now, as far as forged anything goes, stick with what you know. If you don't know, ask. Also, dealing with a certified custom club fitter wouldn't hurt either. That's truly the way I found out about Tour Spec...well, he told me about golf wrx and found out about gocchin and you guys through them. :pThat's one reason, why I'm skeptical about getting any OEM stuff anymore. I mean, as far as I can tell, Taylor Made has the only true forged (made in, not assembled...) stuff in JP next to Mizuno...right? Heck, I'd play with Callaway's proto's if they were forged in JP (and if I could afford 'em. :p). Ever since I've been on the KZG bandwagon, I've been looking to see who else has forged blades in JP, especifically from th Keyoi plant. Another thing people should understand about the JP market, is that the prices gocchin has on Tour Spec, are very competitive to what the have in other store in JP. I'll admit, I've tried other sources to buy real JP spec stuff outside of this store and gocchin's prices are on point. Even if you'd try to use those auction sites that let you bid on Yahoo JP or even tourspecgolf, you're going to be in the same price range...period. Yeah, you may find a deal or luck up here and there, but it's far and few in between. (Trust me, I've looked and continue to look..) Pretty sure Cally X Proto's are forged in Japan and KZG is done in China.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicwyc Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 It is kinda sad that fake items are mainly sold in and from china. I totally agree that counterfeit items are unacceptable however there are situations that people must understand. In china the clubs are sold TOO expensive. I went to ShenYang China last year to have a game of golf in one of the best golf courses there, i saw the same taylormade Rescue club i have in my bag, and they're selling RMB 3000 for a stick! For rich people there in China that seems to be no problem, but for general folks who wants to play golf they can't even afford a stick, what to say a bag of clubs? My client bought a driver for RMB8000. The whole set equals to the whole year salary of normal folks. I believe golf is for everyone, not just for the riches. Its unacceptable for counterfeit clubs, but its even more unacceptable and unfortunate for people making golf such an expensive sports, especially in asia countries!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gocchin Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Most Callaway Forgings including the X-Forged and Proto Blades and Legacy Forged and their forged wedges are not only forged in Japan but premium forged at Endo same place as Epon, Yamaha etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Pretty sure Cally X Proto's are forged in Japan and KZG is done in China.... I think you are right about X forged or X proto but my KZG CB IIM was forged in Japan by Kyoei. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutout33 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) Most Callaway Forgings including the X-Forged and Proto Blades and Legacy Forged and their forged wedges are not only forged in Japan but premium forged at Endo same place as Epon, Yamaha etc... Ok, I stand corrected then. :) I could'a sworn that I read that the proto's were forged in taiwan. My bad. At endo too huh? Nice. :) Still don't like the idea that I can't be fitted through a registered club fitter with them though. If you can, please let me know. Man to get some proto heads by themselves...heaven. For the record, one or two of KZG's wedges are outsourced to either Taiwan or China. Everything else is in JP. :D Edited February 9, 2010 by shoutout33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Yea the X-Forged was done by Endo, KZG for the most part is done by Kyoei. The former president of Kyoei quit and owns Vega and Distributes Matrix & KZG in Japan. Another thing that irks me is clone golf clubs. They turn the taylormade burner into the Turner, Cobra becomes snake bite, R7 becomes Ti7, its another form of fake clubs IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoutout33 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Just for the hell of it, where does Wishon get their stuff forged? Is it in the US or JP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Just for the hell of it, where does Wishon get their stuff forged? Is it in the US or JP? Wishon Is mostly Taiwan & China. Almost no one does forged clubs in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambles Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Man, took me a while to decide even to read this post! Didn't know folks actually were making fake JDM stuff. The way I see it now, as far as forged anything goes, stick with what you know. If you don't know, ask. Also, dealing with a certified custom club fitter wouldn't hurt either. That's truly the way I found out about Tour Spec...well, he told me about golf wrx and found out about gocchin and you guys through them. :pThat's one reason, why I'm skeptical about getting any OEM stuff anymore. I mean, as far as I can tell, Taylor Made has the only true forged (made in, not assembled...) stuff in JP next to Mizuno...right? Heck, I'd play with Callaway's proto's if they were forged in JP (and if I could afford 'em. :p). Ever since I've been on the KZG bandwagon, I've been looking to see who else has forged blades in JP, especifically from th Keyoi plant. Another thing people should understand about the JP market, is that the prices gocchin has on Tour Spec, are very competitive to what the have in other store in JP. I'll admit, I've tried other sources to buy real JP spec stuff outside of this store and gocchin's prices are on point. Even if you'd try to use those auction sites that let you bid on Yahoo JP or even tourspecgolf, you're going to be in the same price range...period. Yeah, you may find a deal or luck up here and there, but it's far and few in between. (Trust me, I've looked and continue to look..) I don't understand why you would be surprised that JDM's are faked. Simple math tells me that a counterfeiter will fake an expensive club before he will fake a cheap club. Better returns. Shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I don't understand why you would be surprised that JDM's are faked. Simple math tells me that a counterfeiter will fake an expensive club before he will fake a cheap club. Better returns. Shambles Hi Shambles, Usually Japanese golf clubs are not faked because they don't have the mass market appeal like big popular brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shambles Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Hi Shambles, Usually Japanese golf clubs are not faked because they don't have the mass market appeal like big popular brands. You have a good point there though I'm not in a position to verify it. It's been a fairly long time since I've visited the golf stores in my part of the world for anything more than gloves, tees and new balls. I really should look around again. Shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Hi Shambles, Usually Japanese golf clubs are not faked because they don't have the mass market appeal like big popular brands. You would be surprised from what I have seen. I actually played with a Crazy T80 shaft that perhaps cost less than $100. The guy who owns it never heard of Crazy but bought it with a new fake R9 head in China for $150. Unless you are a Japanese club ho or a forum member here, you wouldn't have heard of Crazy. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxio Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 I thought only Epon was made in Endo Japan, all other get Endo Thailand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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