I need New Wedges for 2K10

[TheHawkmc]

I need some new wedges this spring. I'd like to get a 53/58 (or 52/58) combination with the new conforming v grooves. I was thinking about either the Fourteen V5's, PRGR TR's or possibly Scratch (53-PDG, 58-EGG grinds). I prefer lower bounce, heel and trailing relief, but normal to deeper overall flange, thin topline, neither round nor square shaped, but in between. I'm a forged iron guy and like softer feeling wedges (just got the new MP-68 blades and they are the more solid, forgiving blades I've ever hit).

Are there any other wedge I should consider that will be available this spring. Also, anyone know it TSG Proshop is going to carry the new Fourteen V5's. Sent Chris and Gocchin pm's, but didn't get response.

Thanks for your suggestions,

Edited March 2, 2010 by TheHawkmc

[corky3]

I need some new wedges this spring. I'd like to get a 53/58 (or 52/58) combination with the new conforming v grooves. I was thinking about either the Fourteen V5's, PRGR TR's or possibly Scratch (53-PDG, 58-EGG grinds). I prefer lower bounce, heel and trailing relief, but normal to deeper overall flange, thin topline, neither round nor square shaped, but in between. I'm a forged iron guy and like softer feeling wedges (just got the new MP-68 blades and they are the more solid, forgiving blades I've ever hit).

Are there any other wedge I should consider that will be available this spring. Also, anyone know it TSG Proshop is going to carry the new Fourteen V5's. Send Chris and Gocchin pm's, but didn't get response.

Thanks for your suggestions,

Gocchin (Tario) is travelling at the moment with little to no e-mail access and Chris is V. busy...... they'll answer soon i'm sure.

I'm in the same boat

I'd add the OnOFF shingo (Endo forged) 52/58 combo

The Crazy wedges ahve really caught my eye

Any of the 3-luck 'dare-to-dream wedges.

Basically anything sold in the pro store!

Edited March 2, 2010 by corky3

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Thanks Corky,

Crazy Wedge 2010

Yes ONOFF S-Forged Wedges

Fourteen V5 Wedges

PRGR Forged TR Wedge

Sky Dream Jump's ( currently having QC issues but when it's spot on they perform and feel good )

In a nutshell those by far are the best in any market!

[TheHawkmc]

Chris,

Thank you for the recommendations. Assuming similar grinds to existing '09 for ONOFF and Sky Dream, I like the grinds on the PRGR TR and Fourteen V5's the best so far. My last two wedge sets have been '06 Tourstage X-Wedges and '07 Cleveland Miura 588's (both purchased here at TSG). Of the PRGR and Fourteen, what will these feel like in comparison? Do you have any photos from above (topline view) that I can see before purchasing (don't mean to be pushy, but I'm anxious to get some new wedges ordered). Thank you again,

[EPONfreak]

There is a new Epon 210KGX to be released this month. S20 forged with a new design that looks the goods. We can't post images yet, but I would strongly urge you to consider. Despite 2010 conforming grooves, the design produces more spin and a better flight compared to the 208 model, stay tuned!

[TheHawkmc]

There is a new Epon 210KGX to be released this month. S20 forged with a new design that looks the goods. We can't post images yet, but I would strongly urge you to consider. Despite 2010 conforming grooves, the design produces more spin and a better flight compared to the 208 model, stay tuned!

Can you at least hint in terms of grind to last years? I thought the 208KGX grind was nice looking, but also too mid-sized, teardrop shaped and needed more heel and toe relief. Did they change it much in overall shape/grind? I'm leaning toward the PRGR TR for the clean, compact look, good trailing and heel relief and also flows well with my iron set.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Chris,

Thank you for the recommendations. Assuming similar grinds to existing '09 for ONOFF and Sky Dream, I like the grinds on the PRGR TR and Fourteen V5's the best so far. My last two wedge sets have been '06 Tourstage X-Wedges and '07 Cleveland Miura 588's (both purchased here at TSG). Of the PRGR and Fourteen, what will these feel like in comparison? Do you have any photos from above (topline view) that I can see before purchasing (don't mean to be pushy, but I'm anxious to get some new wedges ordered). Thank you again,

The latest S-Forged is the first ONOFFF wedge in a long time to be forged at ENDO of S20C. The grind is not like the previous non endo forged models it's much more straight forward and versitile.

Your two previous wedges were solid choices, I really liked the Cleveland Miura 588's but the TourStage wedges were a bit too compact for me.

The feel of the PRGR is better than the Fourteen IMO, my first impression was that its about the same size but also more forgiving.

I am about to shaft up the Crazy Wedges, those look stunning.

In regards to the up and coming Epon 210KGX, I honestly can't say much because I dont have them in hand and I have never hit them, the 208 was not a user friendly wedge for most who purchased them I am hoping and have a good feeling that he new versions coming will be better.

[EPONfreak]

In regards to the up and coming Epon 210KGX, I honestly can't say much because I dont have them in hand and I have never hit them, the 208 was not a user friendly wedge for most who purchased them I am hoping and have a good feeling that he new versions coming will be better.

Likewise, I only have images. It does appear though that the shortcomings of the 208 have been addressed, the 210 is a significantly different design.

In relation to the 208, I don't disagree with your sentiments Chris, though mine have now been bent more often than Joe Cocker and ground on more than Paris Hilton and they are great, but I'll certainly be switching to the 210.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Likewise, I only have images. It does appear though that the shortcomings of the 208 have been addressed, the 210 is a significantly different design.

In relation to the 208, I don't disagree with your sentiments Chris, though mine have now been bent more often than Joe Cocker and ground on more than Paris Hilton and they are great, but I'll certainly be switching to the 210.

We can change your name to EponFreak if you would like, let me know. Seems like TMFreak must be your old name because you have moved on to much better things.

[EPONfreak]

We can change your name to EponFreak if you would like, let me know. Seems like TMFreak must be your old name because you have moved on to much better things.

Yes, absolutely. At the time I joined this site, I played all TM tour issue equipment including Miura forged 300's, all very nice gear.

However, since switching to Epon you're 100% correct, I've never played better made equipment. Of course anyone who was into golf has always known that the Japanese are the only makers of 'real irons' but encouragingly recently to wood offerings have expanded to cater for the hard hitter / high swing speed player, which is not typically the average Japanese golfer.

The offer is second to none and anyone with any game, eye or feel for quality or interest in equipment couldn't possibly buy non JDM equipment.

A name change is certainly appropriate!

[pabsquid]

My vote is for the Sky Jump DP2010's. I just got my 58 and 54 bent to 53 in from Goodsie, shafted up with nickel black KBS Tour X-Stiffs and they are amazing. The fairly compact head size plus very effective bounce without having a big round leading edge is a really nice change from my V4 Fourteens. Was not at all a fan of the fourteens.

Anyway, can't say enough good things about the 2010's for cutting through the rough, great feel, smooth bounce thru the sand....

[+TourSpecGolfer]

My vote is for the Sky Jump DP2010's. I just got my 58 and 54 bent to 53 in from Goodsie, shafted up with nickel black KBS Tour X-Stiffs and they are amazing. The fairly compact head size plus very effective bounce without having a big round leading edge is a really nice change from my V4 Fourteens. Was not at all a fan of the fourteens.

Anyway, can't say enough good things about the 2010's for cutting through the rough, great feel, smooth bounce thru the sand....

Just a few days ago I played with Tario at his home course Kiminomori, I didn't bring my clubs so he let me play one of his many backup set's. The set had DP2010's with Roddio graphite shafts, these alloy produces a great soft feel, the wedge grind is spot and It's just an all around great wedge.

The QC issues have been a concern but TSG will take care of those problems for our customers as always. Main thing is that they perform, feel great, and look great as well.

[Keen]

Nice to hear about new Epon wedges, while the 208s feels great I didn't really care for the shape.

How about the Three Luck copper wedges? On their web page they state that they are made more for the LPGA... How are they compared to their other wedges in size, offset and grinds?

[pabsquid]

Chris, what kind of QC issues have they had?

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Chris, what kind of QC issues have they had?

several issue's, in one case there was excess metal build up under the finish at the corner of the grooves.

Another issue was that the finish cracked when a good member tried to bend them a minimal amount.

They are aware of these issues and have been working hard to fix them.

[EPONfreak]

By the way, out of interest, why do many Japanese manufacturers only offer 52* & 58*?

[TheHawkmc]

The latest S-Forged is the first ONOFFF wedge in a long time to be forged at ENDO of S20C. The grind is not like the previous non endo forged models it's much more straight forward and versitile.

Your two previous wedges were solid choices, I really liked the Cleveland Miura 588's but the TourStage wedges were a bit too compact for me.

The feel of the PRGR is better than the Fourteen IMO, my first impression was that its about the same size but also more forgiving.

I am about to shaft up the Crazy Wedges, those look stunning.

In regards to the up and coming Epon 210KGX, I honestly can't say much because I dont have them in hand and I have never hit them, the 208 was not a user friendly wedge for most who purchased them I am hoping and have a good feeling that he new versions coming will be better.

Chris,

When are the ONOFF and EPON's available. I really do like the grind on the PRGR, but the photos are of 56/60 and I play 52/58. Any chance I can see photos of those two lofts from above (topline view). If they look good, can I get them shafted in either a Nippon or KBS wedge shaft with Iomic grips.

You were right about my Miura 588's. A very nice, solid feeling and versatile set of wedges. The '06 Tourstage 58 was a good wedge, but the 52 grind was too 'onset' for me. I prefer a straighter neck. They were not nearly as solid as the Scratch's I bought from you in '05 or the Miura's in '06. As you can see I haven't bought new wedges in three years and very overdo! Just had back surgery Monday and the doctot said I can begin putting in 4 weeks, chipping in 6 weeks. That's my target time frame to have a new set here. It's keeping me focused on getting well.

Thanks,

[Vineman23]

Hawk,

I have just got the ONOFF S forged wedges 52 and 58, they are performing very well although they are 2009 grooves not 2010. The heads are very similar in shape and size to my old Mizuno MP-R 52 and 58. The hosel on the ONOFF is slighty longer and they have a little lower flight.

They would fit well with your MP68's in sizing. They are more rounded than what the prgr wedges look in the photos.

The grinds suit my style with the 52 having 4mm trailing edge relief growing to 5.5mm in the heal with a slight rolled leading edge, can be opened up without lifting the leading edge much, good spin on full shots (not crazy spin) I use this club alot from 100m in and do most of my around the green work with it, on the short shots you can either get it to bite when required or roll out nicely depending on your shot.

The 58 has 5.5mm trailing edge relief, going to 10mm in the heal and 7mm in the toe before rounding off at both ends, there is a slight concave chanel through the meat of the sole (not as visable as the new crazy) Can be opened up easily and spins like no ones business! on an opened up shot one bounce and stop! it has a light milling on the face to "help" the grooves, I use this as a sand wedge and for going at short sided pins and it works very well.

As with all max groove wedges they can eat urethane covers with a single bite so it depends on what you are looking for!

Hope that helps,

Vineman

[TheHawkmc]

Thanks Vineman. I found an topline photo of the ONOFF 52 today online and it looked like more offset than my preference. It is more rounded than the PRGR TR, but I actually like the PRGR shape. Good flow with my MP-68's.

Thanks again for the information.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Chris,

When are the ONOFF and EPON's available. I really do like the grind on the PRGR, but the photos are of 56/60 and I play 52/58. Any chance I can see photos of those two lofts from above (topline view). If they look good, can I get them shafted in either a Nippon or KBS wedge shaft with Iomic grips.

You were right about my Miura 588's. A very nice, solid feeling and versatile set of wedges. The '06 Tourstage 58 was a good wedge, but the 52 grind was too 'onset' for me. I prefer a straighter neck. They were not nearly as solid as the Scratch's I bought from you in '05 or the Miura's in '06. As you can see I haven't bought new wedges in three years and very overdo! Just had back surgery Monday and the doctot said I can begin putting in 4 weeks, chipping in 6 weeks. That's my target time frame to have a new set here. It's keeping me focused on getting well.

Thanks,

Hey Hawk,

The ONOFFs are already out. In fact they are called the limited Shingo wedge. Almost sold out also. The Epon's should be out early April.

[Vineman23]

Thanks Vineman. I found an topline photo of the ONOFF 52 today online and it looked like more offset than my preference. It is more rounded than the PRGR TR, but I actually like the PRGR shape. Good flow with my MP-68's.

Thanks again for the information.

No worries hawk, you have to be happy to look down on it! I like the TR500's as well and will look at them in a few months depending on cash flow.

IMO I think what you see as offset in the ONOFF is actually due to the rounded shape of the head which continues into the leading edge. It would be good to see what the numbers actually are.

Good luck with the search, just to throw another one in there perhaps hte new cleveland forged?

[bogeydog]

I can't believe that nobody has mention the Sky Dream Jump Proto DP2010. IMO and probably Idrive's, the best wedge out. Great shape, setup, durability, and feel. Ever so soft. Got my vote. Not hype.

[TheHawkmc]

IMO I think what you see as offset in the ONOFF is actually due to the rounded shape of the head which continues into the leading edge. It would be good to see what the numbers actually are.

Good luck with the search, just to throw another one in there perhaps hte new cleveland forged?

I agree, the rounder grind probably gives it that look on the ONOFF. Had a 52* like that once before and could never adjust. The PRGR TR just look straighter, although I've not seen the 52 & 58 yet. I learned a long time ago not to fight what looks good at address. In the heat of competition I need to clubs to feel very comfortable and frame the balls well. That said, the ONOFF are a great looking set, just not for me.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Hey Bogey,

It's gonna be a little while until the mainstreme JDM fan gets the jist that SkyDream Jump wedges are up there with the best of them. Great news is that TSG just secured total and exclusive U.S distribution rights to the brand. We were sketchy at first because we have had a few issues with them and almost decided not to move forward and then they assured us that these problems would be resolved and the final push forward was our actual customers who purchased the wedges saying they were by far the best they have ever had.

Sky Dreap DP-2010 images:

PRGR

[bogeydog]

Well I am sold. The first ball I hit and I was amazed. I debated to buy these or not for quite a while. Probably one of my fav items bought in the past many years.