I need New Wedges for 2K10

[TheHawkmc]

Well I am sold. The first ball I hit and I was amazed. I debated to buy these or not for quite a while. Probably one of my fav items bought in the past many years.

Are the grooves the new conforming v grooves? I have a few tournaments this year where I need them.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Are the grooves the new conforming v grooves? I have a few tournaments this year where I need them.

Its unfortunate but the new V grooves are +50.00 from SkyDream Jump. Weird, I dont know where they get that from.

Technically they are not V grooves, I have no idea why people use that term, Up close they are more "double R" grooves because the edges have been rounded.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

There is a new Epon 210KGX to be released this month. S20 forged with a new design that looks the goods. We can't post images yet, but I would strongly urge you to consider. Despite 2010 conforming grooves, the design produces more spin and a better flight compared to the 208 model, stay tuned!

IF you have images of the 210KGX they are not of the model that will be released.

[TheHawkmc]

IF you have images of the 210KGX they are not of the model that will be released.

Chris, PM sent last night of what I'm leaning towards if you can accommodate. I would like to see topline photos of actual lofts of PRGR TR (58/52) before I buy.

Thank you and everyone else for many excellent suggestions.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Chris, PM sent last night of what I'm leaning towards if you can accommodate. I would like to see topline photos of actual lofts of PRGR TR (58/52) before I buy.

Thank you and everyone else for many excellent suggestions.

Thank's Hawk,

Checkout page 2 it has topline pics of the PRGR sir.

[TheHawkmc]

Thank's Hawk,

Checkout page 2 it has topline pics of the PRGR sir.

Can I customize shafts (Nippon or KBS wedge shafts with Iomic grips) or should I just take stock and reshaft on my side? Thank you,

[Vineman23]

Hey Hawk,

Just a question on the groove rule, I see that you have IT listed as your profession so I thought that as an amateur we were all allowed to use old grooves till 2014 when amateur tournies moved to the new rule is that correct? or is that just over here in Australia.

Also not sure how the rule would apply for Pro Am's?

I hope I am not sticking my nose in, just trying to clarify a very silly rule implementation (IMO)

vineman

[TheHawkmc]

Hey Hawk,

Just a question on the groove rule, I see that you have IT listed as your profession so I thought that as an amateur we were all allowed to use old grooves till 2014 when amateur tournies moved to the new rule is that correct? or is that just over here in Australia.

Also not sure how the rule would apply for Pro Am's?

I hope I am not sticking my nose in, just trying to clarify a very silly rule implementation (IMO)

vineman

Vineman,

Good questions and two reasons on my side for getting 2010 conforming grooves.

First, I'm a former professional and had planned to play this year in a few events that require conforming grooves. That was before back surgery earlier this week, ouch! Still hopeful in completing later in year.

Second, is that despite much practice, I am not as consistent with pitch and lob shots with newer, grabbier U shaped grooves. Growing up I was taught to use the clubface and trajectory to produce shots, feeling the ball roll up the face more and landing shots to either run out or be ultra soft ('like a butterfly with sore feet'). With today's wedges the grooves grab sooner and produce a flatter trajectory. As much as I've practiced, I cannot get as consistent of results in launch angle and spin rate as I used to with older wedges. I even practiced last year with a 40+ year old wedge to get my confidence back.

I've lost those 'go to' shots I grew up with around the greens. I look forward to conforming grooves and softer balls (try to play the softest), because I'll be able to start playing the shots I grew up with again. Simple as that. Hope that explains my reasons.

btw - nice occupation vineman23...what part of Australia are you in? love some of cab blends I've had.

Edited March 4, 2010 by TheHawkmc

[EPONfreak]

IF you have images of the 210KGX they are not of the model that will be released.

I have an image. There may be further tweeks yes.

Edited March 5, 2010 by TMfreak

[Vineman23]

Vineman,

Good questions and two reasons on my side for getting 2010 conforming grooves.

First, I'm a former professional and had planned to play this year in a few events that require conforming grooves. That was before back surgery earlier this week, ouch! Still hopeful in completing later in year.

Second, is that despite much practice, I am not as consistent with pitch and lob shots with newer, grabbier U shaped grooves. Growing up I was taught to use the clubface and trajectory to produce shots, feeling the ball roll up the face more and landing shots to either run out or be ultra soft ('like a butterfly with sore feet'). With today's wedges the grooves grab sooner and produce a flatter trajectory. As much as I've practiced, I cannot get as consistent of results in launch angle and spin rate as I used to with older wedges. I even practiced last year with a 40+ year old wedge to get my confidence back.

I've lost those 'go to' shots I grew up with around the greens. I look forward to conforming grooves and softer balls (try to play the softest), because I'll be able to start playing the shots I grew up with again. Simple as that. Hope that explains my reasons.

btw - nice occupation vineman23...what part of Australia are you in? love some of cab blends I've had.

Thanks hawk,

I only played a bit when I was young with wilson 1200's then went and played other sports and came back to "new" grooves and re learnt the game with them. We do play a funny game though and feel is so much of it! It will be interesting for me to see the changes in shots when I update to 2010 grooves, as you say the ball will change to produce more spin as with the old balata ball but it will be the trajectory that we new comers will have to get used to.

Work in a little spot called Mount Benson, right on the coast of South Australia 100km (63 mile) West of Coonawarra, it's good Cabernet country!

Hope the back heals well and let us all know what you end up with in terms of wedges.

Vineman

[TheHawkmc]

Thanks hawk,

I only played a bit when I was young with wilson 1200's then went and played other sports and came back to "new" grooves and re learnt the game with them. We do play a funny game though and feel is so much of it! It will be interesting for me to see the changes in shots when I update to 2010 grooves, as you say the ball will change to produce more spin as with the old balata ball but it will be the trajectory that we new comers will have to get used to.

Work in a little spot called Mount Benson, right on the coast of South Australia 100km (63 mile) West of Coonawarra, it's good Cabernet country!

Hope the back heals well and let us all know what you end up with in terms of wedges.

Vineman

I'll have to see if any of your wincs make it to my part of the world. Love a good cab.

As you adjust to new grooves and softer balls in the next few years, check out instruction info from one of your countryman, Peter Croker. He taught me some neat short shots back in the mid-90s. The man had great control of both his wedge face and the angle of attack. Produced a high, soft lob, but with an aggressive motion.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

Can I customize shafts (Nippon or KBS wedge shafts with Iomic grips) or should I just take stock and reshaft on my side? Thank you,

I would suggest having it done on your side, PRGR has never been a brand to offer a whole lot of custom options. Other companies no problem if you want factory.

Another option is to have our guys in Japan do the install for you before it ships but im afraid the KBS wedge shaft may cost more that way.

[idrive]

Well I am sold. The first ball I hit and I was amazed. I debated to buy these or not for quite a while. Probably one of my fav items bought in the past many years.

Mine aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

I don't believe they are conforming... the way they spin the ball I don't know how they could be.

I'll be testing the PRGR wedges straight up against these over the next couple of days with a couple of shag bags. I'm very interested in the difference in conforming and non conforming grooves. The PRGR wedges look great but their chance of taking the DP's out are slim.

I thought someone would mention the new Forged Cleveland Wedge

Edited March 5, 2010 by idrive

[corky3]

Mine aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

I don't believe they are conforming... the way they spin the ball I don't know how they could be.

I'll be testing the PRGR wedges straight up against these over the next couple of days with a couple of shag bags. I'm very interested in the difference in conforming and non conforming grooves. The PRGR wedges look great but their chance of taking the DP's out are slim.

I thought someone would mention the new Forged Cleveland Wedge

Hi Idrive, I look forward to seeing the results of your tests, my problem with the PRGR is one of optics.... the 'pointy' toe is something I try to avoid in a wedge (I know, call me shallow!).

The Cleveland 'forged', I'm kind of turned off of the through their previous forged or 'form-forged' wedges which I always thought as a bit fraudulent.

I'm waiting to see some shots of the Crazy wedges at address, these look and sound like they could make my bag but at the moment the front runners are the OnOffs(not sure why I haven't actually coughed up for these yet?).

There are signs of Spring around here so the pull of new clubs is getting stronger!

[TheHawkmc]

Corky3, there were some Miura forged Cleveland 588's made in 2007 that were great. Very typical Miura solid feel, but 588 grinds. Much different that what is typically seen in US with Cleveland.