+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 This week I will be highlighting a new brand here at TSG known as Believer which is produced by a small family factory in Himeji Japan called Fujimoto Gikoh. The brand has a pretty gothic look to the designs, heavy on the stamping characters but we are working with them on this. The 3 main things that strike me most about all of their irons is first the forgiveness they are all more forgiving than they appear, second is the setup even the bigger irons had thin top lines and just the right amount of offset and lastly feel, this S25C feels different is it the design or the metal? I think both. So today we are starting with their Neo-Blade Design, it has the setup of a larger sized blade or a compact players cavity yet it packs in the feel of a pure MB. More info to come, I have only hit these demo irons to decide if we should carry these on TSG, after hitting them it's an easy yes. Enjoy the pics and more to come tomorrow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkgolfer Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I like the top down look of it! Would love to see more pictures... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 good shape..! nice full muscle. callaway proto esque design with a bit more meat by the looks of it. stamping............., what goes on with the japanese and their stamping, seriously..... less IS MORE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I like the looks. The neck looks like it's a flowing liquid between the blade and hosel. I'd love to see a full frontal pic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Not a huge fan of the stamping but I do like that muscle on the blade, maybe positioned to even get more help to launch the ball compared to other MBs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idrive Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Looks like Roger had a hand in designing these............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Hmmmm looks ok, just about, but not as good looking as the MG mb-5005. The back design looks like the flag of a small wannabe nation....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Yes way too busy but don't forget our influence on these sorts of things, Epon was was also once busy with "Epon Technity Type-X Forged by Endo Product" until we created the current logo concept and model names, same with Buchi until the global models were created. Some brands we have no disclosure agreement with, others if you look closely you may be able figure it out :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 This Believer iron has a unique attribute that makes it easier to hit, They cut the iron heads in half, add a heavier material within then weld it together before the finishing and grooves are pressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akapur Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Chris Cost wise what are we looking at with these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpbachman Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Looks like they are up in the store and the lofts look good... http://www.tourspecgolf.com/believer-golf-2014-muscle-back-iron-5-pw-heads-only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coops1967 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 This Believer iron has a unique attribute that makes it easier to hit, They cut the iron heads in half, add a heavier material within then weld it together before the finishing and grooves are pressed. Had to check the date - it's not april fool's day. You, or they, are joking right? A weld line within the steel right in the middle of the face.... Bwahahahaha. finish and grind it away all you like - still a terrible, laughable idea. How deep do you think this weld goes in to the material, at the sole for instance? it's a joke, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Had to check the date - it's not april fool's day. You, or they, are joking right? A weld line within the steel right in the middle of the face.... Bwahahahaha. finish and grind it away all you like - still a terrible, laughable idea. How deep do you think this weld goes in to the material, at the sole for instance? it's a joke, right? Please teach us more about how and why this is laughable. I'd love to understand your logic and expertise in this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 Surely cutting something in half and then welding it back together creates a weakness that wasn't there originally, especially taking into account that the weld is where a ball is struck 99% of the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Share Posted June 19, 2014 I can see why a golf blade purist would find this cutting strange and illogical. Most blade players would expect a pure one piece forged and not a two piece like the Epon 7 series. The question is whether Endo would find a different solution to achieve the same end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I think I might get a set. And give them to someone I dont like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 This is the first time I have seen this myself. Endo does something similar but its not vertical or over the impact zone like these. Many top irons use 4 welds with thinner walls using lighter weaker materials (multi piece design) should they not shatter if this was the case? Miura's would shatter at the neck weld, the neck is technically the weakest area in most irons, they also shouldn't feel as good as they do if it were an issue. The iron breaking in two is as probable as a Miura cracking or an Epon shattering, maybe less probable. As someone who hits a ton of JDM gear I can tell you that if you hit these irons and didn't know about the weld you would think it feels great, and is more forgiving than it appears. I'd love to stress test all these things but I trust the manufactures (FG, Miura, Endo) know how to make an iron that doesn't fall apart. That said these are not getting a spot in my bag based on looks alone but based on performance they easily could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Thinking about driver welds, materials and thickness vs club head velocity, There are welds on areas we hit on a drivers face and all around the head. Anyway just another offering on TSG guys. The looks are it's biggest flaw I agree totally but I don't see the weld being an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I think I might get a set. And give them to someone I dont like Craig, did you say you hate my guts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I think I might get a set. And give them to someone I dont like That's funny! Doesn't a weld defy all the logic (flawed as it may be) that we use to justify forged irons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tae Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 I have fujimoto believer irons. Not this same model though. I love this iron for its unbelievable forgiveness and the feel. This is definitely go to club!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffer19 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Post some pictures. Is it also a blade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Think a soft weld will create more flexibility (lower stress level between the 2 points) hence more spring and softer feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tae Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Don't see the cavity at address. Huge sweet spot and softer than onoff. Edited June 20, 2014 by tae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2014 These are growing on me big time! As Tae-san says soft and very forgiving with a setup that would make it appear not so forgiving. Fujimoto Gikoh knows how to make irons. While I can't say who else they produce the list is impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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