iron lofts thoughts...,

[supo]

pw traditional 47/48 * then 52-56 -60 wedge set up kinda thing

or

pw at the new fangled lofts of 44-46* and play just to 5 iron then match ur own special wedges accordingly ?

i was ALWAYS more traditonal favoured but im getting to think theres more to the new way than meets the eye

esp with the vast array of sepcialsit wedges thesee days can get a 47-50 50 then play specialised clubs more than a generic head.

i think the pW is the wicked iron of most sets

this cud be a very good thing

thoughts??

Edited April 22, 2015 by supo67

[theblake]

My thoughts:

I think it's disgusting :-). One day we will be playing 5 hybrids and 6 wedges.

I have my iron heads bent back to 48 PW and 4 deg gaps down to 4 iron at 24.

I am pretty sure that 20 years ago, 9&PW were the same head weight and shaft length. The clubs I have now the PW&GW are the same ( which means less of a distance gap if 4 degrees apart, another story)

So if we now have 44deg PW, what is its shaft length and headweight. It is all three factors that make the club comparable to the other, not loft alone.

Another issue is that the modern heads have a lower COG, so stronger lofts are used to keep ball flight down. So it is not necessarily a bad thing to have a stronger loft, provided that shaft length is not increases. Then we have a club that is easier to hit.

But after all that. They still don't have to lie about the numbers :-)

Edited April 22, 2015 by theblake

[kaaayelll]

This highlights what I like about the new Hogans...just loft numbers, no iron numbers. Of course, lengths are still a decision.

[supo]

i say this bec i played my kamui pros recently , loved them.

but i want to grind off the 4-pw numbers and put lofts on them instead

44* is insane for a PW i kept fkking up my distances.

i really do like using spefic wedges tho. and with a 44*,( lets call it the highest lofted club......) i get to use a yururi pw bent to 48* , and a set 52-56-60 wedges.

the diff in spin between the yururi and kamui is so big .

the diff in shape really makes u think uve got a specifi wedge in ahnd with it

i prefer traditional lofts bec of the pw conundrrum. but this set up really works ok .

[Blader-X]

ah, a question near and dear to my heart.

Still playing the 909's but haven't used the PW in some time. (47). I have been using the Original Vokey forged in 46 along with a 50 DB forged, 54 Vokey cold forged and a 62 Original Vokey. However, wasn't liking the 54 dropped it, and have my old fav 56 DB forged back in.

And then I pulled out the old 901's and decided to put the 3i from that set back in the rotation, am seriously thinking of dropping the 46 vokey in favor of the 909 PW and then there's this:

I'm going to get two new A-Grinds 52 and 58 just haven't ordered yet but I will be. The 58 looks a lot like the DB forged in terms of grind so I know that's a winner without even hitting it yet. The 50 will most likely leave the bag as I don't use all that much even though its money. I'm going to keep the 62 on board unless the 58 is just so stellar I can live without.

I'm a blade guy and still prefer the old setups like the Tourstages in terms of loft. Can't even fathom a 44 PW, that's a 9iron; of course it used to be an 8 long ago. But still.

so to wrap up, PW 909 in 47, agrind 52, 58 and the Vokey 62. That setup is intriguing to me even with the apparent gaps. I can make those up with hand placement adjustments and such on full shots, but wedges are the artistic side of golf. They're for scoring, creating and not so much for hitting all out.

Those are my thoughts.

[theblake]

This highlights what I like about the new Hogans...just loft numbers, no iron numbers. Of course, lengths are still a decision.

it is a great idea what Terry Kohler is doing with his new brand Ben Hogan golf in concept but absolute rubbish in their application

http://www.benhogangolf.com/ft-worth-15

Despite what they say, the iron set is only 7 heads, in other words a 4 iron to PW. We all know how expensive molds are, and you can tell from their specs chart that they obviously just make 7 heads, and bend them up to 2 deg in either direction, if necessary as tolerances will also give them a variation. Then stamp a number on them. I emailed them to ask what their head weights were - no answer.

each head, comes in four variations of loft. The shortest head, obviously equivalent to PW is 44 to 47 degrees, the longest which is a 4 iron length/head weight, is 20-23 degrees. If you get these irons, you are still ended up with what the big brands are doing, stronger lofts throughout and you still need Gap wedges.

I would have been a fan if the shortest head was 47-50 degrees, then i can get my 9 iron at 46deg then 4deg/7gram gaps down from there. With my shorter shaft i need heavier heads so this would be ideal.

Edited April 22, 2015 by theblake

[supo]

in a set of say cavity players heads like the prgr idbl

46* is fine bec its not a really pinpoint scoring weapon

but in a set of blades i want the pw to be deadly. which is why i uttery detest offset pws. it totalyl defeats the point of beng able to think a shot and hit it .. a PW shud be clsoe to zero as is possbile.

IMO

i wud happliy drop every pw fro mevery bag ive got , seriosuly

if i cud get a zero offset pw head that i like

the srixon is clsoe but its pretty full

too full realy

the yururi is clsoest but again too much offset to be perfect.

still looking!!

[stevopagolf]

I have my irons bent 2* weak (2014 VG3's) to play 46* off the PW. I have 50 AW and 54 an 58 SW. Play 4-PW, 20* hybrid and 16* 3 WD.

I like the set up, though I don't find myself using the 54 much at all. Might add a 62 and take it out.

[+TourSpecGolfer]

I like both, 47* or 45* in the PW don't bother me one bit. I prefer 52/58 so I can carry more woods or a second driver but if my PW is stronger I have a gap, sure I can muscle my way through it or back down on a stronger loft but the result suffers so based on what model 45* it is, because design does matter and so does build (not all equal lofts have the same distance) I may have to go 52/56/60 and drop a wood.

No Biggie I mean we all got a dozen wedges in the closet right?

[RLL33]

Easily a dozen... <g>

Lately though, the 56-onset from A-Grind is so good, I was able to drop 52 gap from the bag. Haven't missed it yet.

[mr.haha]

I love my PW at 46* as it allows me to hit 50, 54 and 58 for my other wedges. i like having versatility in my wedges esp when it comes to grinds. If i need to drop clubs to hit that 14 mark it will either be my 3 hybrid, 2 driving iron or 3 iron. On windy days i will typically drop the hybrid completely and 3 iron.

[supo]

i think itook thant many out on saturday!

good point u made , the same loft doesnt go the same distance, it can depend on shaft , cog,

47....................... 47 is a good number...

47 ..

then 51----56----61

47..43-39-35-31-27-23

20* di.

16.5* fw

7.5* driver

thtas my answer.

hmmm

[Hutch]

I Have these Stew, they are pretty much zero offset to my eye and very compact, to compact for me.

I picked these up when I was gona treat myself to the srixon 100 blades, but after the experience I had with the P1s I decided blades wernt for me by a long shot.

Love the look and feel of a blade, and biy do you know when you have flushed one....once a round lol

I tend to agree with the 50/54/58 or sixty set up. My PW is 45 and use 52/58.

Although it is easy solved by choking down a bit on the PW I still find not as consistent as a true 50.

Edited April 23, 2015 by hutchy

[donnieu]

>>thoughts??

Its not the loft, but the distance that matters. I bought a couple of used sets, PRGR with 26 degree 5I, and Yamaha with 25 degree 5I. I do hit the PRGR 501 farther than my standard loft US set. But the Yamaha about my usual distances (175 5I, 150 7I, 125 9I). I haven't measured the lofts on either set. The Yamaha is a 2007 425V set (like new condition) with Tour AD-75S shafts. I will pull the shafts tomorrow. Hooked almost every iron shot over 150 yards way left. Except the 5I on the 175 yard #17 (six feet right of hole). Still managed to shoot +5 with 3 3-putts.

[Aston55]

yes, I agree its not about the lofts but getting the right amount of distance gaps between them. Loft is not the only factor. Everybody's swing is different, so someone elses loft gaps are not always going to work for you.

I play a 46 PW and 50/56/60. Effectively I get approx 138, 125, 115, 103 on full shots. I play strong lofts because I hit the ball super high. Even with my strong lofts, I hit the ball higher than my friends that use traditional lofts. My strong lofted 4 iron has the height of most average 6 iron shots that I see. Therefore, I don't see any reason why you cant use strong lofts as long as the distance gaps work for you and have enought height on the ball to land softly on greens.