Ian-500 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Actually, I think they would match the C-Tapers almost exactly... Yes, another good shout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I've been following this thread with interest, as I haven't heard Yururi's referred to as soft or forgiving before. I tried the raw wedge one time and it felt like rough cement to me -- with a sharp digging leading edge. I was trying it because I loved the look of the Flatbacks and was thinking about giving them a try, but the feel of the wedge really put me off. For you guys talking about this, are the irons -- Flatbacks in particular -- really different from the feel of the raw wedge? Or are we maybe just talking about preference in feel that might vary person to person...? Thanks. Hey R, For my comments, I should probably elaborate on my description of forgiveness. They are not GI forgiving, but definitely on the more forgiving side for a blade. Forgiveness has a different level of expectation for each category of irons, for me at least. For a blade though, these are definitely soft and my results have all been pretty good, even on the not-so-great swings. The feel is soft/pure and the grind has excellent turf interaction in many types of conditions, so I've found these to surpass my expectations and in fact, changed my view of how "hard" they would be to play as daily gamers. For someone who struggles to get consistently solid ball striking and tends to see a lot of fat or thin shots, I would not recommend the Flatbacks. For those who's ball striking is relatively consistent and solid, these are a joy to play. Hope that helps to clarify things, but I think just giving them some time would be the best way to see if these suit your game. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLL33 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Thanks, D, some day I think I'll just have to try them. I'm always attracted to the look (agree with you, btw, that they should keep the kanji lettering). It's just the feel of that wedge -- for me -- was just so harsh and such a heavy digger that it's hard for me to imagine the iron feel that you guys are describing... I do love blades, always like Miuras, and I even like the Yamaha RMXs that a lot of people find hard to hit consistently, but I also know that I like lighter feel than most people, so maybe it has to do with that... Did you ever hit the raw wedge? Do you find the irons feel like it, or are they different to you? Appreciate the feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Thanks, D, some day I think I'll just have to try them. I'm always attracted to the look (agree with you, btw, that they should keep the kanji lettering). It's just the feel of that wedge -- for me -- was just so harsh and such a heavy digger that it's hard for me to imagine the iron feel that you guys are describing... I do love blades, always like Miuras, and I even like the Yamaha RMXs that a lot of people find hard to hit consistently, but I also know that I like lighter feel than most people, so maybe it has to do with that... Did you ever hit the raw wedge? Do you find the irons feel like it, or are they different to you? Appreciate the feedback. R, I had the Tours, which are the same as the Raws, with the exception of groove conformity, I believe. I found those to be soft, but I guess everyone can have a different definition. They are more of a dense-soft than the traditional spongy-soft. I don't really hit full wedge shots as often so that may also contribute to the fact that I can't compare the feel 1-1. I guess if you hated the raw wedges, you may feel that strongly about the flatbacks as they are definitely similar in feel, but again, I believe these are great with a little time. As for the grind and digging aspect you didn't like, there's a silver lining here in the irons. The heads seem heavier than most, and I've been told by some guys with experience with these that one of the great things about these heads is they can be ground to your liking and not end up lighter than you would want. I personally like the stock grind and enjoy the heavier head, but seems like you could tinker with these and perhaps achieve the desired fit with some help of a good hand grinder. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLL33 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Thanks again, D, that does help. I'll probably have to satisfy my curiosity some day... <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 The Tours are actually totally different shape, grind, specs than the Gekku Raw. Tour is available in Conforming or Non Conforming as well. Gekku Raw is available in Non Confirming or the TSG exclusive conforming version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 The Tours are actually totally different shape, grind, specs than the Gekku Raw. Tour is available in Conforming or Non Conforming as well. Gekku Raw is available in Non Confirming or the TSG exclusive conforming version. I stand corrected. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaaayelll Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 All of this talk about Yururi is making me want to shaft up my raw Vega... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLL33 Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Chris, would you describe the Flatbacks as clubs that tend to dig like the wedges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 OK, couldn't help it as I had to remind myself what "soft" really feels like in an iron, so I took my Crazy MB 9 iron out to compare against the Flatback 9 iron on the range. The Flatbacks are soft, but as I was saying, a dense-soft, whereas the Crazy MB's are straight BUTTAH (not butter, but BUTTAH)....holy smokes they feel great!! I had forgotten how good they feel and that soft crispness they offer, what exceptional sticks they are....but I digress... For a daily set, I would choose the Flatbacks in a heartbeat, as they also feel great (but not as buttah-ery), have a more versatile grind for me, look better with more wear (whereas I subliminally don't want to do anything to ruin the sweet smoothness of the Crazy's) and can flat out score. I tried the same type of knock downs w/ the Crazy and they just didn't do what I wanted them to do exactly. The Flatbacks can be shaped both ways and have a natural draw to them for me. The Crazy go nice and straight w/ a super sweet high soft landing, but I couldn't vary my swings as much nor could I shape them as easily. Some of this could be attributed to the shaft differences - Nippon SPB in Yururi vs. Modus 125 in Crazy - but the results were clear that the Flatbacks remain better all around clubs for me. **sorry for the awful pics, bad light w/ my phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1dirtypanda Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Boooo. No fancy ferrules on those sticks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 I was almost certain the Flatbacks and the Crazys were from the same Kyoei stock...and those pics seem to reinforce my feelings. If I'm correct, any difference in feel or playability would be more shaft or plating related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needmoregolf Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) Boooo. No fancy ferrules on those sticks! I know...Crazy's were factory built and they didn't have that option and yururi were used...booo I was almost certain the Flatbacks and the Crazys were from the same Kyoei stock...and those pics seem to reinforce my feelings. If I'm correct, any difference in feel or playability would be more shaft or plating related. I agree, very similar shape, and perhaps same stock. The plating/finish and the grind is what makes the main difference in feel and playability that I experienced me thinks. You, in particular, may be interested in knowing that the Crazy seems to have a tad less offset though Edited May 7, 2015 by needmoregolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted May 6, 2015 Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 Yeah, I think the chrome plating is was makes them feel that buttery softness you describe. The softness of the Yururis is there but hard to describe. It's a feel that I've definitely grown to prefer and I believe offers better feedback. Because of this thread, I just oiled my Flatbacks for the first time in almost 2 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted May 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2015 (edited) They both look good IMO, I have always been an admire of both but on sheer looks alone, that's all I can judge by at the moment...For me it has to be the Flatbacks. From what I hear from you fellas it seems in the "playability" department the flatbacks get the thumbs up. I dont think you can get anymore JDM than those bad boys. As Ian pointed out with the right ferrules, shafts and grips they would look Sick. Wonder how the MCI would work in them, I think those shafts with un acetoned woven sliver ferrules, black elite grips with silver shiny but caps slightly sanded with fine wet and dry to a brushed silver would look sweeeeeeeet Edited May 7, 2015 by hutchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mob Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 I have the Gekku Raw wedge, and the Tataki wedge. I much prefer the feel and performance of the Tataki wedge. The grind on the Tataki seems to work much better with my home course and my swing. It is such a great club out of the rough around the greens. It has given me a lot of confidence with these shots. The finish on the Gekku Raw is very cool, but performance goes to the Tataki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fore Left! Posted May 7, 2015 Report Share Posted May 7, 2015 One would think the raw yururi would feel softer than the plated crazy given they're exactly the same head with different grind and plating but very interesting it's the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) I just hope they bring out a CB players edition, not sure if I could handle the pure blades. Think I would be ok with the blades from 7-PW but the longer irons not so sure. Very keen to build a set of cavitys, blades, wedges and Di's combo, all same suit same shafts. DI's 3&4 CB blades 5-7 blades 8-PW Wedges 50/54/58 Leaving room for driver, UT & putter Would go with other DI's if yururi could take care of the rest. Edited May 13, 2015 by hutchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceans1007 Posted May 25, 2015 Report Share Posted May 25, 2015 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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