chiromikey Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Since this thing is almost a clone of the R9, I'm really curious how they compare. Looking forward my friend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 the a-grind has way less offset tho. way way less. i mthinking the agrind will be more workable ,but the r9 wil be way easier and forgiving. tom will tell!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daamartin Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 TR500 hard to beat Stu!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Well that was some day hit them all. The r1 is very small and has no ofset to speak of what so ever like the tr500. But with an Ultra thin topline smallest head of the bunch. These are not for everyone ,no way they unforgiving micro cbs , when middles they are wonderful slightly miss**ts was pretty disasterous. Feel hmmmmmmmmmmmmm they are not soft no way i hit this and the tr500 and the difference i s pretty marked , whilst monaccos deaden the most soft head put there even stll the prgr was a nicer impact for sure. Both these clubs have no off set so i olve the look of both. But the a grind is a much more specialized look it really is small and compact extremely so. The tm r9 was like hitting a mushroom in comparisons, that thing is unbeleivable . The shape diffenece is enormous . Softest feel by a mile. Flight was way highest as well Only thing i ldont like about these is the offset there is miles more. Does make them easier to hit tho. Shaft selection does affect these Think ill pull the monacco from the agrind and put the modus init migt soften it up a bit Was a bit harsh with the monacco something the prgr can handle but these dont as much. No point dropping a motza on new sticks and not enjoying the feel Pointelss The mci might sbe a nice match as well Hit tha agn yesterday think i was wrong first up it is softer but its. A lovely shaft played superbly Edited June 14, 2015 by supo67 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Get some rest then I expect the write up, including drawings! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Good comparisons Stew. Sounds like a good players MC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autronicdsm Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 I am trying to figure out what Fp of 5mm is? Trying google I came up with a link saying that's offset? That can't be right though, it doesn't look like there is much offset on those clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 fp is like the opposite of off set. theres a great thread by tom wishon on it that explains its exactly. guarantee you these do NOT have any observable offset. as minimal as ive seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autronicdsm Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 fp is like the opposite of off set. theres a great thread by tom wishon on it that explains its exactly. guarantee you these do NOT have any observable offset. as minimal as ive seen Do you happen to have a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Offset is the measurement from the leading edge of the face to the leading edge of the hosel whereas face progression is the measurement from the leading edge of the face to the center of the hosel bore. So as the leading edge moves further forward and away from bore centerline (an increasing number) that leading edge is also moving toward the leading edge of the hosel (decreasing that number). Hence the two measurements have an inverse relationship. Since different irons have different size hosels, the leading edge of the hosel can move. However, the centerline is always the same. This means face progression is the more accurate method. Edited July 27, 2015 by chiromikey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted July 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 5FP is nearly 0 offset. you start moving toward 6 and you got yourself a small onsett already. Imo to say this is almost a clone of the R9 is pretty far off. Just about everything is different from how it's made, to it's size, design and all specs. top line and sole thickness, CG's etc. etc.. They don't share much other than they are both in the CB family or perhaps to some a visual simularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiromikey Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 After reading the A-Grind has so little offset I'd agree with you Chris that the similarities between it and the R9 probably end with looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLL33 Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Just picked up a set and I'm going to shaft them with OT's that I'm waiting for now. To say that I've fallen hard for the 56-onset wedge is an understatement. The thing has been working magic for me around the greens. Just received the 50-deg, too, this morning and look forward to putting it in play tomorrow. Edited July 27, 2015 by RLL33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smstef Posted July 27, 2015 Report Share Posted July 27, 2015 Just picked up a set and I'm going to shaft them with OT's that I'm waiting for now. To say that I've fallen hard for the 56-onset wedge is an understatement. The thing has been working magic for me around the greens. Just received the 50-deg, too, this morning and look forward to putting it in play tomorrow. I'm about to order my wedges also , looking forward for your 50° review :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 just an aside, ive had the 7 iron shafted wtih a monacco stiff for a few weeks. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........., it plays ULTRA pro. this is the closest cavity to blade relationship ive hit. its tiny ,its thin, theres no offset. i LOVE the shape of these. love em!!! but this combo its on the "denser feel "side of the coin as opposed to softer. im in a real quandry on this bec ,it plays out of its skin ilovewaht i can do with it ,but its a let down with feel. genuinely think a shaft with smoother softer charateristcs wud be a much better choice for these. NS 950... modus 120s.... MCI.... that kinda thing. the mons are incredilbe shafts but in the "harder heads " they can be a bit course. never more ilustrated than on sunday when i hit 7 , 7 irons on to the par 3 with this and 7 with the callaway tour authentic SP blue 7 iron. now SP blues aint for meowwwwwwwwwws.. lemme tell ya, but even still, there was a big differnce in impact. the callway was miles nicer but no where near as versatile. mcis......... now theres a thought........................................., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLL33 Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Yup, dense but I can really feel the ball on the face. I love the smoove MCI's to death, but have been wanting to try these OT's. Could always swap out one of my MCI sets, but going with gut on trying something new first... Wedge is deadly accurate with NS Pro WV in it. Got the Modus 3 in the 50. . Hoping for similar feel from the irons. Similar but different... Am sure you know what I mean... <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 yea.. thres some heads that are just a denser feel ,touratge immediatly jump out on this front, yamaha to a slighty lesser extent and crazy and kyoei. what ive found over time is htse heads feel much better with a softewwr feleign shaft life above. the tourstage 701 with NS 950s fel like epons, but with DG they are ..........errrrrrrrrrrrr. harsh.. hsafts really do make a head come to life u just have to try a few out. ah perfect exapmle.. the new srixon 945 felt like dead lead with my fave modus 13o protos hated them so much i had 1 round and pulled t hem. but in the agrind blades, they played terrific! go figure..!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autronicdsm Posted July 28, 2015 Report Share Posted July 28, 2015 Offset is the measurement from the leading edge of the face to the leading edge of the hosel whereas face progression is the measurement from the leading edge of the face to the center of the hosel bore. So as the leading edge moves further forward and away from bore centerline (an increasing number) that leading edge is also moving toward the leading edge of the hosel (decreasing that number). Hence the two measurements have an inverse relationship. Since different irons have different size hosels, the leading edge of the hosel can move. However, the centerline is always the same. This means face progression is the more accurate method. Thanks for the explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLL33 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm about to order my wedges also , looking forward for your 50° review :) FYI, Stef, the 50 played great, too. A real zipper on low pitches: zip, zip, STOP! And like the 56, it plays long for a wedge on full swings. My bag is slowly being taken over by Ako-san! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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