Epon Zero, what to expect

[Vegaman]

I just picked up a Zero driver. It was, oddly you might say, fitted with a Aldila RIP shaft. But looked great and felt heavy headed and "hit-able". So I bought it on a whim. I swing pretty hard, with a shortish backswing. Hit the ball naturally high. The reviews on this head are mixed, so this will be interesting.

[supo]

the new one i presume u mean?

pls hit away and report!!

[Vegaman]

the new one i presume u mean?

pls hit away and report!!

No no, the old 415cc one. Wasn't planning on buying anything at all and kinda just picked it up, it looked good and I bought it..

[Vegaman]

the new one i presume u mean?

pls hit away and report!!

Double post

Edited June 8, 2015 by Vegaman

[Spoon]

the new one i presume u mean?

pls hit away and report!!

very different from the first. more forgiving in the sense no more slice heaven.

likes to go straight BUT its lower spin and lower than the first one. for its intended

swing speed profile its stellar.

[Vegaman]

very different from the first. more forgiving in the sense no more slice heaven.

likes to go straight BUT its lower spin and lower than the first one. for its intended

swing speed profile its stellar.

So this driver is slice city...? Sounds less positive

[Hutch]

very different from the first. more forgiving in the sense no more slice heaven.

likes to go straight BUT its lower spin and lower than the first one. for its intended

swing speed profile its stellar.

So it is what it says on the tin C, 105 SS+ and it is as good as any?? how was it before you got warmed up and gave it a run?

[needmoregolf]

So this driver is slice city...? Sounds less positive

all my misses when I had the first Zero were right, not all slices but lots of unfavorable blocks, but then you get the one that keeps it in the bag for awhile longer...long straight penetrating missile that flies forever and runs for days, accompanied by the sweetest sound as it rockets off the face.

C, does the new one sound/feel like the original?

Edited June 8, 2015 by needmoregolf

[Spoon]

So it is what it says on the tin C, 105 SS+ and it is as good as any?? how was it before you got warmed up and gave it a run?

i think 100mph up your ok. be sure to choose a high launch shaft. trust me you don't want high kick shafts on this one.

I'm fine with it, a bit low for my home course which requires premium on carry and placement, id take this to a wind blown tight

course that has no ravines. would be great for links type courses.

all my misses when I had the first Zero were right, not all slices but lots of unfavorable blocks, but then you get the one that keeps it in the bag for awhile longer...long straight penetrating missile that flies forever and runs for days, accompanied by the sweetest sound as it rockets off the face.

C, does the new one sound/feel like the original?

yes i would block it too. feels more muted and dense compared to the original. the original is supposed to be 415 but this one looks just as big if not smaller. mayve its the height of the face. i like mine so much i have a mirror version coming to be built with another shaft.

[Vegaman]

So, should I tee this a bit lower? The face don't seem overly deep

[Hutch]

Would you recommend the stocky shaft C

[Spoon]

Would you recommend the stocky shaft C

I don't know to be honest. I'm gaming the ha model which is low kick. It's a beautiful combo but for my 2nd one il be a little sadistic and put a 787 bangvoo lol

[Hutch]

That will be a nice build, never tried the bangvoo for a period but have used one in the net and they feel nice and smooth, not sure what the model was but just remember it was exy...back in the days before it was the norm to spend big on a shaft.

Must keep us updated on your trials with it, as you know I am a sucker for epon so no doubt I will give it a run at some point.

If you decide to move the PI on leme know. ;)

[nobmontana]

I have had 3 of the 415 Zeros in the past. None stayed in the bag for more than a month unfortunately.

Wanted to love it but never really got along.

The sweetspot is quite small and you need to be able to hit it consistently.

Off center hits tend not to go straight and you also get punished quite a bit on distance.

Highly sensitive to direction. Think sport car steering. Accuracy and precision control is required.

I never tried it with tip active shafts but if I do try again, that might be the way to go.

The small pair shape can look quite intimidating for some but it is beautiful looking and

one of the sweetest feeling and sounding heads ever.

When you do hit the screws with it, it is sensational an really long!

I have hit my longest drive with it being a 45" or shorter build.

So which RIP shaft did it come with? alpha, beta or gamma ?

RIP shafts in general have really low torque. May even work to increase sensitivity of direction.

No itentions of sounding too intimidating but what you have there sounds like a razor sharp combo with very little forgiveness.

Edited June 8, 2015 by nobmontana

[Vegaman]

I have had 3 of the 415 Zeros in the past. None stayed in the bag for more than a month unfortunately.

Wanted to love it but never really got along.

The sweetspot is quite small and you need to be able to hit it consistently.

Off center hits tend not to go straight and you also get punished quite a bit on distance.

Highly sensitive to direction. Think sport car steering. Accuracy and precision control is required.

I never tried it with tip active shafts but if I do try again, that might be the way to go.

The small pair shape can look quite intimidating for some but it is beautiful looking and

one of the sweetest feeling and sounding heads ever.

When you do hit the screws with it, it is sensational an really long!

I have hit my longest drive with it being a 45" or shorter build.

So which RIP shaft did it come with? alpha, beta or gamma ?

RIP shafts in general have really low torque. May even work to increase sensitivity of direction.

No itentions of sounding too intimidating but what you have there sounds like a razor sharp combo with very little forgiveness.

It's the Alpha..But the 60 version in S. Hope I haven't bitten of more than I can chew here, ha ha Edited June 8, 2015 by Vegaman

[nobmontana]

I personally love the RIP Alpha. Super low torque tight feeling shaft.

It has one of the lowest torque at 2.9deg torque for being 63g raw.

I would imagine the trajectory of this combo being quite low.

Let us know how you hit it !

[Vegaman]

I personally love the RIP Alpha. Super low torque tight feeling shaft.

It has one of the lowest torque at 2.9deg torque for being 63g raw.

I would imagine the trajectory of this combo being quite low.

Let us know how you hit it !

Will do! Was planning to take it directly out on the course, but feel like I need to squeeze in some range time first. Although, weirdly, how I hit a driver at the range never seem to be indicative of how I'll hit it out on the course. And you're right about the RIP Alpha, I have the exact same shaft in my old R510TP these days. Very stable even though pretty light-ish Edited June 9, 2015 by Vegaman

[Vegaman]

Had no time for the range, took it straight out on the course for 9 holes today. Just straight to the first tee, was even a bit late so just rushed up on the tee and hit it.

First shot was really good, went straight withba bit of a fade at the end, long too. All carry, really rather high ball flight. The best feeling head I have ever tried, just a perfect soft hot feel.

Continued to hit it with a slight fade for the rest of the round. Was quiet out on the course today so we had some fun hitting multiple tee-shots.

I tried to really step on it a few times and hit a few super high, super spinny sliced shots..On those occasions I felt that I really overpowered the shaft and lost control. I could feel the shaft kinda giving up in the downswing. With a more measured swing the Zero was actually very forgiving, I hit a few out on the toe and the ball went straight anyway, could almost feel the gear effect at work.

All in all I almost wish the Zero came in 9 degrees, I CERTAINLY didn't have any problems launching it high, maybe too high in fact. The roll out I hear about wasn't really there, for me the Zero is a perfect feeling, quite forgiving carry monster. Oh, and the shape is just perfect.

[nobmontana]

Sounds like the RIP may be producing a bit much spin for you with this loft setting.

perhaps a lower spinning high kick pt shaft might help lower the trajectory a bit and likely help the ball roll out as well.

[Vegaman]

Sounds like the RIP may be producing a bit much spin for you with this loft setting.

perhaps a lower spinning high kick pt shaft might help lower the trajectory a bit and likely help the ball roll out as well.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too..I do have a Miyazaki Kusala black 72x lying around. But then I'd probably really need to go after it hard on every drive. Edited June 13, 2015 by Vegaman

[Ian-500]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too..I do have a Miyazaki Kusala black 72x lying around. But then I'd probably really need to go after it hard on every drive.

That's the only way though right?

[needmoregolf]

perfect shape indeed, really kinda miss looking at it at address, and the sound is certainly intoxicating. don't miss those spinny block/slice's you describe tho, absolutely killed my confidence most times. I had a Stinger in mine that did not give it a super high launch, even tho I'm a highball hitter, so I could recommend that as a try. PM me if so, I've got one available.

[Vegaman]

That's the only way though right?

Ha ha, yeah I guess..I can get a bit 'slashy' with my short-ish swing on the days when I swing hard but not good..Been trying to hit the driver smoother with some pretty good results. Like yesterday with the Zero, but it did go very high, but also quite far. Funny how I was expecting a low/mid flight after reading about the Zero and then I got high long floaty fades. Even when I swung smoothly and not overpowering the shaft at all. My miss historically is a slice from out on the toe but my toe mis**ts yesterday went really straight actually, hence I felt the head was pretty forgiving.

[Vegaman]

Short update. I have now played another two rounds woth the Zero and I'm really starting to gel with it. I've been swinging "smoothly but intently" lately, don't know how to better describe it lol. Anyway, this means I don't overpower the RIP shaft and i have been getting some truly excellent results, mid height, very straight and long drives, feel is outstanding and I really don't have any issues with forgivness at all.

An added bonus is that I can very easily tee it low, grip down a bit with this club and kinda "punch" drives that fly low with a tiny fade out to about 230 yards. It has turned into a kind of favourite shot for me, the controlled punchy short drive, and the Zero is the easiest driver I have ever used when it comes to this particular shot. Feels safer than pulling a 3-wood even, so accurate and soft feeling.