+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 You are looking at a very custom set of the new Miura CB-2008 irons. How is this one different than the standard model? Its all cosmetics we took the heads and stripped the finish off of them and then sent it to our Japanese factory that does our black mirror finish. Black Mirror is very similar to chrome mirror, but it has a deep dark hue to it. Refinishing a 2-piece club head is not easy especially when it has an undercut, the finish can’t adhere to all areas of the inner cavity, so our next step was to send this to a golf specific paint factory that specializes in painting OEM wood heads and iron cavities. One issue we ran into was that we found pitted steel in particular areas of the club head which we had to use a tiny grinder and polish off before sending it back to the painting factory. The photo above shows the top line, its beautiful and thin and the face has a near perfect heel to toe length. The one issue I have with these is the amount of offset. In some finishes its hard to see in others more evident. We took things a step further and decided to paint beyond the outside of the inner cavity as it had the perfect lines to do so. The photo above shows this well. This gives it a unique look which is nothing like the stock set sold. A photo of the sole shoes a nice curved leading edge but due to the two piece construction the number on the sole is slightly pushed to the left. The solution to this was a simple one, engrave the number instead of press. Unfortunately, that process costs more. The paint color in the cavity is called charcoal gray. We have more sets we will be posting in coming weeks with different head finishes and interior cavity paint colors. The CB-2008’s shape face on is nice. The 2008 is very easy to hit with a pretty good soft feel which is uncharacteristic of most two piece heads. Distance is what is expected based on a 45* PW. Miura went with a stainless body and forged face which leads me to believe feel was of the utmost important. If distance was their goal, they could have gone with a forged body and stainless face similar to other two-piece distance irons. We will only be producing 1 set 5-PW exactly like this. It will be in the TSG pro shop in just 1-3 days from now with a quantity of 1 set. We are not sure how long they will last, but in total it took us two months to complete the process you see here. These heads traveled to many different factories and had specialty work done that no one else offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 Question. As you say, other multi-piece irons usually have some type of maraging face combined with carbon steel body. I think this results in a hotter face but feel is probably somewhat compromised .... These Miuras flipped it around and have forged face with Stainless steel body. I can understand how feel might be better in these compared to others, but what is the biggest benefit it brings? Multi piece irons look more expensive to make just because of the more complex construction. If they are after feel, wouldn't a one piece Carbon Steel Pocket Cavity be a more cost effective solution that still provides the feel that they are after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLL33 Posted May 8, 2017 Report Share Posted May 8, 2017 This finish is stunning! Amazing work, Chris! (I'm also thinking this would look great on the Seven MCB...). ;=] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck4golf Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 It's that time of the year... Chris just posts incredible layout of clubs one after another, like a machine gun of golf porn. Some people like putters, others like wedges. Me, I like great sets of irons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregoire56 Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 2 hours ago, chuck4golf said: ... like a machine gun of golf porn. hahah that is hysterical, quality wordsmithing right there. well played, sir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLL33 Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Agreed. +1 again, Chuck. ;=] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 21 hours ago, nobmontana said: Question. As you say, other multi-piece irons usually have some type of maraging face combined with carbon steel body. I think this results in a hotter face but feel is probably somewhat compromised .... These Miuras flipped it around and have forged face with Stainless steel body. I can understand how feel might be better in these compared to others, but what is the biggest benefit it brings? Multi piece irons look more expensive to make just because of the more complex construction. If they are after feel, wouldn't a one piece Carbon Steel Pocket Cavity be a more cost effective solution that still provides the feel that they are after? Yes It would have more distance if it had a stainless face yet that would also compromise feel, exactly as you say. One benefit may be they can produce a larger more forgiving head that isn't as heavy. Another possibility is they want the face forged in japan and final process like the weld and finish. Some parts come from Taiwan I believe. I do think its obvious the quality is better when the Miura club is 1 piece and made 100% in Japan like their MG and Legacy models. The 1 piece designs by Miura have the highest quality fit and finish from any club in Himeji imo. To me irons are all about accuracy and feel and the overall experience of the round as a whole, I prefer a new set of irons or wedges to a new wood any day. Most people go crazy over drivers. Feel, look, and sound is so important to me when it comes to irons. An interesting shoot out would be the Epon P3s vs these CB-2008s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) Thanks Chris, I don't mind the idea of multi-material but compromised feel would not be good.. I'd take feel over distance any day... for irons that is. Edited May 9, 2017 by nobmontana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Yesterday we showed you a set of Miura CB-2008’s with black mirror finish and charcoal gray cavity paint. Today we bring you Japan black IP with black gloss cavity paint! Which do you prefer? or will you wait to see what we bring tomorrow before deciding ;) . Japan black IP is a very durable and high quality finish that looks outstanding. Its the best black you can get when done right, and these are. In Japan Black IP the shape looks improved from all angles. It looks like it has less offset in black. Its really the black IP finish that is making these look so flawless. This CB-2008 has a nice wide sole with killed leading edge. This sole can work for low to high handicap players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Black IP so far for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregoire56 Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 black IP looks amazing +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickyfowler Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 the cosmetics are indeed impressive - nearly everything the TSG Works does looks the part. My question is - are there any of these processes that actually enhance feel ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdmallday Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 Wish I could have all of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 12 hours ago, dickyfowler said: the cosmetics are indeed impressive - nearly everything the TSG Works does looks the part. My question is - are there any of these processes that actually enhance feel ? The answer to that is complicated. We are all different with so many variables. What is soft to me may be hard to you and that can be due to the shaft, grip, or swing that day. Each finish can change feel for the discerning player. but so can the shaft, grip, design of the club head. I think black mirror is sticky. Black IP is durable because its applied with the chome mirror plating. it feels slightly firmer with IP. Finish is a strange thing, Its a risky business when something can contaminate the pot, break it, etc... I have sent clubs to almost every aftermarket finishing company online or our customers have. The quality out there is terrible especially outside of Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLL33 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 So in addition to a stunning look, the Black Mirror also has that sticky feel? "Sticky" being my favorite feel among the TSG finishes, would you say that the Black Mirror finish compares to the stickiness of the Smoked Copper, Chris? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 4 hours ago, RLL33 said: So in addition to a stunning look, the Black Mirror also has that sticky feel? "Sticky" being my favorite feel among the TSG finishes, would you say that the Black Mirror finish compares to the stickiness of the Smoked Copper, Chris? I would say yes. I cant speak for others but from my experience both have that sticky feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+TourSpecGolfer Posted May 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 And here's another one. This is the one I would choose. White Satin w/ Matte Silver cavity paint! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted May 10, 2017 Report Share Posted May 10, 2017 White satin at address 'looks' like it has less offset to me. Looks great. Excellent work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregoire56 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 Ian took the words right out of my mouth, white satin hides the offset well. I amend my previous statement... #1 white satin #2 black IP #3 black mirror. at least that's my vote for these iron heads, the order really depends on the head in question. for instance the new Seven CB's my #1 would be black IP, for the Shinagawa's #1 white satin, the MCB #1 black mirror Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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