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Sorry for being a jerk for aking but why is this used putter priced 200 bucks more than a new retail price?

I like the prototype look..... kinda like Seven dreamers with the raw carbon fiber weaving exposed.

A heavier shaft will actually be easier to achieve higher swing weight provided that the shaft is not counterbalanced. Lighter grip ( around 25g ) can and does help tremendously to bring up swingweight.

A lot of companies just file their trademarks/product name very early in the development phases of their product. Who knows how long it will take for the actual product to be released. :)

Foaming it would get you 4 to 6 grams weight gain but I would not want to sacrifice the great sound and feel T.388 has. Hot melt would make most sense?

Good idea. I now have Zy11 paired with Waccine GR77 and Ptune with Regio F MB. Probably going to try the AAA in the Zy11 next and hopefully get on a LM soon. I was pretty intrigued by the Nike Vapor Flex from demo day yesterday. 12.5 deg loft with a Diamana D+ had a great looking trajectory. and the sound! Maaan! The Yellow Swoosh and other graphics on crown were not needed.

They were shiney raw copper color initially. I waited for a few months exposing them in outside weather but it just takes long for it to patina so I started looking for alternate methods. Felt like I was back in High School doing a chemistry expriment! Turned out more like an art project. Temperature of the sulfur solution and how much you apply to the club head determines the color. hotter solution you end up with very dark almost matt black but uniform finish. The great thing is that I can polish it back to the original color using metal polish to redo as many times as I want. Only need to be careful you don't inhale too much sulfuric acid gas during the process and the rotten egg smell is horrible! :)

Very high level summary. They are first in the world to use full length 90T carbon fiber. Platinum is lighter & stiffer with full length Toray 1100G , use for longer driver length. high launch. Onyx is for swingers who want to maximize loading the shaft. uses air speeder technology on top of full length 90T. low-mid launch Both are considered distance oriented shafts but very different style.

Thanks K! Where are your Coppers? :)

As with any copper plated clubs, they feel very soft off the face. They also seem more spinnier than normal chrome plating. I do believe the copper do wear off pretty quickly so I don't use them regularly. The MP62's are currently shafted to 1150GH shafts but I will be re-shafting with TT Monacos soon. Trying to locate some of those carbon fiber pattern ferrules to match the head color and shaft. Sorry about the pics. Low light weather today and I don't have a great camera. In brighter sunlight it looks better.

Just came back from demo day at a local course. Nike, Mizuno , Cleveland , Cobra, TM , Ping, Titleist were there. Based on our discussions here, I tried all the new drivers with 11.5 to 12 deg loft setting on the head and paired them with lowest launching and lowest spinning shaft based on availability from each vendor. All weight adjustments were done to put weight as much forward as possible to reduce spin. Titleist 915D2 - Rogue 110 Silver - This could work. Trajectory is great and ball goes forward! Did not like the feel or sound. Srixon Z745 - Kurokage HBP - Best feeling head of the day. Would want to try a Miyazaki Kusala Black shaft with it. Nike Vapor Flex - Diamana D+ - A bit mushy feel but persimmon like sound. Trajectory was great. I had best results today with this club. Smaller size but seemed as forgiving as a 460cc head. First Nike driver that I actually liked since their Ignite 410 driver. Mizuno JPX 850 - Speeder Tourspec 6.3 - Overall Good driver. Nothing that stands out unfortunately. Cobra Fly Z+ - Aldila Tour Green Was not impressed. Ball went too high. Changing the weight forward made the sound and feel very hard. I did not try TM or Ping .... I have tried G30 series before and TM rep was too busy and could not get a club set up for me. So i learned today this high loft head / low spin shaft combo could work for me. Only thing I did not like going high loft was that the face always looked slightly closed to me. Maybe it actually wasn't but it certainly looked that way. For now, I think will stick to the 9 to 9.5 deg heads with mid launch shaft.

What do you currently use?

Unfortunately not TSG Works finish but fellow member helped me copper plate a set of MP62 irons and these Titleist Vokey 10th Anniv. edition wedges. They are polished copper finish but I did the sulfur treatment myself. I initially used palmolive to darken the color but did not turn out so good, so I removed the previous patina with Mothers metal polish and then got real sulfur gel this time to do it right. MP62 irons also look the same now. The photos really do not do justice as it has more of a rainbow hue all over than just brown.

I don't know how the internal weighting is situated for T.388 so it may not be a huge issue ...

10g is a lot of tip weight in a driver. That might promote some serious draw. Looks like you are building a fairway finder at that length! Let us know how that works out.

So after initial disappointment with myself with this particular driver, I decided to give it one more go. I used a Regio Formula MB shaft this time and compared it side by side with a couple of other drivers currently in contention for the ACE Driver spot in my bag. Since my last try, I also changed the weight of the head to be 6g lighter at 201g Boy was I wrong about this driver!! P-Tune PG-414 is close to or as good as the ZY-11 !! Having previous experience with the PG-313, that's what I was expecting.. but initial shaft matching and sound issues ( I got it foamed later ) I just did not build it right. Was too head heavy and the shaft felt too weak because of it. This head is excellent! I now have two foamed heads and really getting used to the different sound that it produces. Some might call it "dead" but I think it's different in a good way. This head deserves a great shaft. I might try the AAA again in this head.. but was thinking this head should probably get the 7 Dreamer treatment! Seriously, It's that good!

Does the optimum spin rate also depend on how fast the ball speed is? I have had occasions where the ball essentially "drops" out of the sky I was assuming the spin rate was not enough in those cases. My ball speed off the face is probably around 150 to 155mph or so ... Would that require slightly higher spin rate to achieve optimum distance? or does it still need to be 2000 rpm? In my previous launch monitor experience, I usually hovered around 2500rpm to about 2800rpm which I was told was "good" but that was 3 years ago so perhaps the science behind optimum launch conditions changed in the last few years.

With the ZY 11 head Mjr D can try getting heavier weight screws and orient it so that the cg moves to the back which would make the head and provide higher launch. The beauty of JBeam heads! Might not be the same as SLDR 12 deg with forward weighting but I think its too soon to give up on the ZY head. it's a really good head. While I have not measured distance on my ZY 11 , yesterday's range session convinced me the ZY 11 is a keeper. I was comparing it between Modart MA01D and PTune PG414. With the ZY 11 , the ball was clearly moving forward with a boring trajectory . By comparison, Ptune was a close second and then Modart . it will be a toss up between the ptune or zy on which head gets to be the choice for the 7D shaft, I think. And 2nd place head will get the AAA shaft. I need to jump on the launch monitor before my trip to Tokyo to help me decide. I will definitely keep close eye on the launch angle this time. :)

The last tire kicking Ping demo day I went to had a launch monitor and I was hitting the Ping G30 LS head set to 9.6 deg with their Tour 80 Stiff shaft around 15 deg where at that location (Seattle ) they said was ideal launch angle . I told them I was from Montana and they suggested that I may get more roll with slightly lower launch at around 13 deg because the typical course conditions are so different. 13 deg was achieved simply by setting the loft to 9 deg. Seattle - lots of rain , softer fairway, need maximum carry. Montana - relatively dry , hard fairway and lots of roll. But I find it interesting the numbers still center around 14deg with slight variation based on course condition. so it looks like 14 deg is the magic number!

On a side note, The t.388 I believe is slightly lighter head if I recall like 194g... or 196g so you need to go 45.5 " to get the swing weight to D2 or D3. and if I recall, the hosel size is .350" as I remember using a shim for installing a Tour AD BB7 shaft. when I first got it , I remember I had to lower my tee height to get the ball to meet the face at the sweet spot because the face height is not that deep. Other than that, it is one sweet driver with great looks and performance.

Not that I have the swing speed you guys have ... but I used to play 8.5 loft on all my drivers as well. I have an upward swing and hit everything very high to begin with. The problem with lower loft heads are that they are less forgiving. Hank Haney always says on his radio "more loft is more forgiving." I have settled for now with 9 to 9.5 deg lofts but honestly I too want to try a higher lofted head with a much lower launch shaft to see what I gain out of it. At the end, I think it's all dependent on how you swing and there is no single correct combo for it.

I did not know they had such thing. My guess is that it is a stiff flex. The Dynamic Gold "Wedge" flex in Vokey wedges are supposedly the same as S200

Interesting that Epon pulled out of Thailand market. Don't they have their main manufacturing facility there? My take is that Epon no longer has a leader with a vision. I too am an Epon fan ... yet their recent products do not attract me at all. I would be interested to know how your Glorious 12 deg head works with your Kurokage. i.e. would you be able to emulate the SLDR flight with a Glorious head? A Glorious head with heavier weight would probably behave very differently too.

+20 yards !!? Kurokage shaft... that is so unlike you! :) Have you moved away from JDM drivers? So what 12 deg head are you now using and what did you do with all the 8.5 deg JDM drivers you had?

> Sergio Garcia, Rick Fowler and Martin Kaymer play 11.5 - 12 degree driver Very interesting!! but I am assuming that is because they have a steeper than normal angle of attack.. No? One of the Pros at my home course who is also a fitter at Cool Clubs during the off season uses a 10.5 loft G25 driver and his launch angle is still lower than mine. His SS is upwards of 120 or 125 as well. He told me that he needs the added loft because his angle of attack is so steep. I interpreted that as " hitting down or at level " at impact ... I have an upwards swing so the 9* loft on the ZY11 together with a mid launch shaft is giving me the launch angle I need. I will be scheduling a trackman session soon with my drivers again to look at some numbers . Will need find out if my launch angle is close to 14 deg!!