AKFLY

Right - I read that and I am just interested in how you do that.] I like to tinker.

I am just curious how you go about it. If it is a deep dark secret just pm me.

adios Mike... I'll try to hold things down while you are gone... :cry: What the hell happen here ? :roll: Are we stuck with just a ball and no bat ? 8O Come on now ! :!: ;argue Knock it off :!: well someone else is going to have to step up big time or else this place is going to get really slow... I'm not going to be able to post from the 20 to the 27th. 8O Nor sure what you guys are doing or why there has been a lost of respect between the two of you - but it just brings the entire board down. By the way - I guess next weekend will be pretty dead - I am gone on a trip to do some fly fishing.

adios Mike... I'll try to hold things down while you are gone... :cry: What the hell happen here ? :roll: Are we stuck with just a ball and no bat ? 8O Come on now ! :!: ;argue Knock it off :!:

What happened to the count down ?

If things settle down in my career Vegas sounds like a good one. My brother-in-law lives in northern Arizona- so it would be a good excuse too hook up with him

All I could say is if we do SW Michigan lets do it the weekend after Labor day plus a couple of days - rates fall to nothing, for lodging and golf. Weather is the best - and if you want you have enough day light to go 36. :D :D Lastly - if we have a fourseome and you want to spend the $$ I think I can get us on the Dunes Course, New Buffalo - (Mr. Kaiser's first creation) see Bandon dunes.

Hey AL PM me your address - I want to send you some two part 5 minute lube - please set the video camera up right before you apply it - I need a real laugh :lol: AK you got me on that one...there is no comeback for that...I am honestly sitting in my chair laughing out loud. After such a bad day at work this is what I needed. Man if we ever all got together to play golf we would not be able to get out of the first tee box...too much laughter. Sounds good - what's a Central Place ? a TSG convention is definitly on the list of must do's!!!

Was this for me ? I hope Al does not read this. If so Roses are red violets are blue Yes my TM's feel softer with dowels too. oh no... stick to golf buddy stick to golf!!! :cry: Oh come on this qualifies for the best post of the day.

Hey AL PM me your address - I want to send you some two part 5 minute lube - please set the video camera up right before you apply it - I need a real laugh :lol: AK you got me on that one...there is no comeback for that...I am honestly sitting in my chair laughing out loud. After such a bad day at work this is what I needed. Man if we ever all got together to play golf we would not be able to get out of the first tee box...too much laughter. That is why I love this site - more than your fair share of smart asses.

I don't know about you but I would always prefer IT to feel a little harder. I do think there is a pill for this :twisted: . I like the poem AK. The info being passed along in this thread is great. One of my first posts on here was about getting some irons rechromed and it had some great info about the copper/nickel underlay and why it was so important. I just wish it did not get wipped out when the site was down for a few days. I personally could not tell the difference between the Mizuno II's and my 300's. And I was hoping Al's alter-ego would show up - work is a bit boring today and I need a laugh.

Keep in mind it is still winter here - but after I tipped it just alittle bit more it is great. 3/4 in total.

Was this for me ? I hope Al does not read this. If so Roses are red violets are blue Yes my TM's feel softer with dowels too.

link for dowel discussion http://www.tourspecgolf.com/modules.php?na...iewtopic&t=2521

If I remeber correctly they came at 1.5"( bought at Sears hardware pack of 33), and I just left them that way - I figured length would not be a problem and the weight is minimal before epoxy. One thing though - cover them in alot of epoxy. I have been hitting them off matts with no problems - but my PW has a rattle and I have been to lazy to take it apart. All other clubs are solid. Since I had the heads off I followed Joe's instructions and putt the dowels in first and left enough room for a 6 gram tip weight. I wanted to achieve a D4 swing weight in irons 3-9 and D6 in my wedge. So after the dowels dried I swing weighted each club - triming the tip weights to get each club where I wanted. Go to the clubmakers section and Joe responded to my post and alos put up another link. For the $$$$ this is by far the easiest and best improvment you can do to your irons.

the .5g tolerance is post tooling I assume... its still pretty impressive either way... excessive? yes but a good marketing tool. anyhow I don't think Muria is anymore special than any other forger. I am willing to put my entire bag on the line if someone can tell a Muria 300 from an Endo just from hitting. As I said before I believe feel comes from sound... resonance... and anyone who has every struck a bell can tell you size and shape have more to do with sound than who made it. If you don't like Titleist irons its probably because of the design not because of where they are made. I think its cool to know who does the forging but to let it dictate your club choice is foolish. The .5 gram tolerance is for a finished head, and when you consider the inexactness of the plating process it's even more impressive. I'll take you up on that challenge, but I'm not putting my CB1005s on the line! :lol: Now, if you had prefaced that with "just from hitting... with earplugs" I'm not sure 99% of us could tell the difference. I agree with you, feel is based primarily on sound... ...so I guess my Miura's sound softer than any other brand! :wink: well if your not willing to put your clubs on the line where is the fun... I have hit the Muria 300's and mine side by side and I could hear no difference or feel no difference. The real test is to hit a bunch of the same clubs with different shafts... Rifles tend to make a club feel softer than DGs. I bet Ak has some of the softest feeling 300's around with that wooden dowl in the shaft... I bet that has a much greater effect than the forger. Pete- very different than the DGs300, very good feel - sound - almost weird. You can do the same for the cost of $8 and new grips. Go to the hardware store and buy a bag of 5/16 wooden dowels (1.99), a steel rod long enough to jam down the shaft (2.00) and some two part epoxy. Drill a small hole in the dowels - cover with epoxy , jam it down the shaft with the steel rod, let sit for a few hours , regrip the clubs and you are done.

Having owned only one set of Titleist irons - I can still agree -especially as it relates to tolerence. My mizuno proII's were geat - but my TM's for forged in China are O.K. AS to nickel on the face - this makes sense since that is the one area that takes a good amount of abuse.

Ask Joe how he added weighto the Head - if he did at all - I believe Joe uses epoxy and tungsten dripped into the head to settle on the sole.

back at you pm and e mail

E mail and anothe PM sent

Mike ... thanks for the link. So it is stated that copper underlays will play softer, but nickel is more durable. Anyone have problems with a copper underlay - like what the Iron Factory offers. Thanks for evreyone's patience and help

If a box= one dozen new - I will take the wedge (if it is in excellent shape) for $70.00 shipped and paypaled.

Guys - I am just interested in the process - but you bring up a good point regarding Scotty Putter . There is no nickel or copper coating - on the putter or you would not see the mill marks. I am just guessing but think that the copper/nickel is and after process - I would just be intrested in knowing the entire process.

Oh but if you were in the "know" you would be luaghing your ass off.

Muria is the best because they have a very limited run size, so the irons that come from there are usually not cheap and people then think that means they're better. Muria to Endo forging wise... no difference. O.K. what makes the difference in forging Main Alloy, mixture of coatings or magic and hype?