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We know Kobayashi-san very well. I see him every year and he even took us out for noodles when he took us around Endo for a tour. S-Yard has always been made at Endo and is one of the very much unknown brands outside of Japan. I think having Kobayashi-san there will be good for S-Yard which can alter its image and target audience with some of his new designs.

Now that the 435R has started shipping a few customers have given me feedback via email including Tae above... all of them said its the best Crazy/Jbeam driver yet. I can't wait to try it myself!

Yup they have officially started... Besides the mods it will be completely refinished to Stainless Beads Blast..... very nice indeed!

bogeydog's set officially was the first set to go out today for us... he should have it in a few days! Our demos arrive next week... can't wait!

I'm putting something together as a contribution from TSG. Of course we must consider this from a business standpoint and as our customers we would very much like you to purchase clubs from TSG. (^_^) So I am seeing what demos I can throw together but will need some time to organize. Need to figure out how to keep them in reasonably good condition....

I merged the threads... lets keep all the info together... so people can reference one thread,,, no matter how big it is.... lets give this baby record views!

Stock sets have started trickling in. Bogeydog who ordered first will get the first set sent out today... then idrive and supo67 and as it goes in order of those who ordered.

Don't forget custom orders ship a few weeks after standard specs!

Let's do it Jeff, the next time you come. The master will be glad to meet one of his most loyal customers.

Yes small amounts of stock have started moving to dealers with smaller orders... ours not yet as we actually have a much bigger order than most. I asked for an update from our rep... should be soon.

My backup camera also took these.... its a very capable camera. (^_^)

You also asked what camera I used so snapped a shot of the camera... Fujifilm X-Pro1:

The Toyoshima wedge and Gold's Hand Grind are very close in price. Difference is Toyoshima, while the wedges are top performers, makes all his wedges the same. Every Gold's wedge is unique and grinded for that specific person, choice of finish, choice of engraving, choice of shape, sole, bounce, leading edge, top line, offset.

Thanks Steve, yes, but then the top line would be thicker. To get the CG up there are some compromises to be made ie the head can't be quite as tear drop as the one I designed as I took away much of the top line to achieve that shape.

Actually I was there today. Weekend was personal time off with the wife. (^_^)

<a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/slide.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/slide.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21639" title="slide" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/slide.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="248" /></a> It's been a while since I have dropped by Gold's Factory and in the mean time, Gold's has grown more popular than ever, especially here in Japan where their brand has received major publicity in most major golf magazines. Being featured in Golf Digest Japan, Alba, Even Golf, Waggle as well as top enthusiast magazine Choice, has really enhanced Gold's Factory and Master Sasaya's reputation as savvy putter and wedge creator and modifier. So when Sasaya-san contacted me last week asking me to drop by to talk about his new wedge and to grind a set based on my feedback I was very happy to oblige. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5304.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5304.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21641" title="DSCF5304" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5304.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="972" /></a> As you all know I get to take lots of pictures and test golf clubs mostly at home here in Kiminomori so it was nice to be able to pack up the camera and head out to Tokyo to shoot some pictures in a work shop rather than my backyard or at the range/golf course. I arrived at Gold's Factory located deep in the heart of Nakajuku in Itabashi just after 10am and right away Sasaya-san pulled out a box of raw forged heads to show me. We talked a bit about wedge manufacturing and how a hand grind wedge from Gold's Factory differs from a mass produced wedge which most mainstream brands produce. Sasaya-san explained to me this new hand grind wedge is forged from JIS SS400 in Himeji and is now being produced by Gold's Factory with CNC machined conforming R&A grooves. For those not familiar with SS400, its equivalent hardness is about S18C. Raw heads are delivered at heavy 338g weights allowing for major customized grinding to each customer specifications. The new hand grind wedge also features a very fine CNC machined face milling, this milling can be varied from fine to deep. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5362.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5362.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21675" title="DSCF5362" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5362.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5302.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5302.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21643" title="DSCF5302" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5302.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="465" /></a> Unlike mass produced wedges many of which are rolled in a barrel, Gold's Factory grinds and sands and polishes from start to finish. They do send the wedge off for plating if that is required by the customer otherwise they finish the raw wedges themselves. The hand grind process is a tedious one but even before that, the planning of the wedges design must be considered. Sasaya-san and I talked about differences between preferred shapes and styles of wedges from Japanese golfers to American or overseas golfers. In Japan, many golfers prefer wider soles and more bounce due to the lusher and softer courses and bunkers. As Sasaya-san put it, the big round head with goose neck was made popular by Jumbo Ozaki and it has stuck. I told him this is not the wedge TSG customers overseas really want and he agreed that this was probably the case. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5303.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5303.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21646" title="DSCF5303" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5303.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> Breaking the wedge into various sections, we talked about the sole grind, the neck, including the back of the neck and how it flows to the top line as well as the front of the neck and how it flows to the leading edge. The neck is a sensitive part of the wedge and even the inner neck, or curve connecting the neck to the face and scorelines must be considered. A artfully ground neck will allow for the lines of the head to flow and for the design to balance. We talked about the top line as well as the head shape and leading edge and Sasaya-san explained he typically grinds the leading edge last in order to have it flow with the neck. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5305.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5305.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21647" title="DSCF5305" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5305.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="411" /></a> Based on popular feedback from customers I suggested to Sasaya-san we do an M style grind as its versatile and while not ultra thin it gives the appearance of a thinner sole. The trailing edge relief as well as the toe and heel relief allow for versatility in various lies and conditions and not to mention it looks good. (^_^) <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5306.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5306.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21649" title="DSCF5306" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5306.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="473" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5311.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5311.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21652" title="DSCF5311" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5311.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="483" /></a> Most better players and TSG Customers seem to prefer less offset or a very straight neck so I requested this from Sasaya-san. He explained this would be the first thing he grind as its quite a bit of work to get the neck very straight and flat all around so that it flows into the blade of the wedge. In order to get that very straight neck, Sasaya-san spent quite some time grinding the neck portion by portion and closely inspecting its "lines" throughout the process. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5312.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5312.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21654" title="DSCF5312" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5312.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5313.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5313.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21656" title="DSCF5313" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5313.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> Next Sasaya-san moved to the sole. He has done the M grind quite a few times and quickly shaped the sole grind matching the trailing edge relief to flow into the straight neck. The heel relief will also allow the player to open up the wedge more easily and still point the leading edge at the target and keep it close to the ground for better contact. The initial grinding is actually the easy part and as an experienced master grinder, Sasaya-san can shape the wedge quite quickly. Its the fine tuning of the shape on the sand belt and much tighter parts like the curved inner neck that take more care. In the above picture you see the unfinished raw inner curve of the wedge and how close it comes to the face. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5317.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5317.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21657" title="DSCF5317" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5317.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5319.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5319.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21658" title="DSCF5319" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5319.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5320.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5320.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21659" title="DSCF5320" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5320.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> Many grinders grind/sand this curved portion in an up and down motion from top to bottom. Sasaya-sasn grinds the curve from neck towards the face without touching the face or scorlines. The sander is actually the most essential and most used tool in shaping and finishing the wedge even more so than the grinder which is used to get the general shape. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5321.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5321.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21661" title="DSCF5321" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5321.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5359.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5359.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21662" title="DSCF5359" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5359.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> The sander uses different sized pins in order to reach and grind different areas of the wedge and Sasaya-san goes through a very labor intensive hand polishing using 60 grit sand paper all the way up to very fine 1000 grit for a perfectly smooth finish. This hand process takes hours and is part of the reason why the wedges cost so much but because of this process you can be ensured a perfectly shaped and flat wedge unlike mass produced wedges today which can lack consistency. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5374.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5374.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21664" title="DSCF5374" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5374.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5373.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5373.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21665" title="DSCF5373" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5373.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="428" /></a> After grinding the neck and sole Sasaya-san moved on to the top line and shape of the head. We talked about how a company like Fourteen does a tapered top line and decided instead to do just a clean and simple thinner topline which gives it a nice blade like appearance at address. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5336.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5336.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21668" title="DSCF5336" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5336.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="422" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5378.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5378.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21669" title="DSCF5378" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5378.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="416" /></a> We were getting closer to the desired shape of the head but I had one request for Sasaya-san and that was grind the heel side of the wedge lower so that the shape would be much more tear drop. This also gives the illusion of a higher toe and promotes working the ball diagonally across the length of the face for added spin control. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5369.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5369.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21673" title="DSCF5369" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5369.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5379.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5379.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21672" title="DSCF5379" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5379.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> Finally Sasaya-san grinded and sanded the leading edge to match and flow into the neck. The straighter leading edge and the additional grinding I requested not only gave the wedge a very much tear drop shape but made the neck appear even straighter with the top line towards the heel being lower. It had pretty much taken the morning to create this shape which is still nowhere near done, additional touching up as well as lots of fine sanding is still required. At this point the heads were still around 314g in weight, so plenty of room for Sasasya-san to smooth out its looks and finish. <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5385.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5385.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21677" title="DSCF5385" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5385.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> I decided that we would plate this wedge to prevent rusting and finish the wedge in a soft black with 1 dot indicating the AW and 2 dots indicating the SW to to keep the sole clean and the wedge simple. In a couple of weeks I should have the finished 52 and 58* set for pictures and they will look awesome. The Hand Grind wedge is still a custom made wedge like no other in Japan. Its the only wedge available here where you can dictate all the design aspects from the original raw head to finished product. There are also a ton of finishes including raw, raw polished, raw with gun blue, raw black, chrome, chrome satin, white chrome (pearl satin like), Teflon black, Soft Black, Copper, Black Boron etc. Top that off with any engraving you want including custom logos and names all hand milled and you have your one of a kind wedge! Stay tuned for pics of the finished set and if anyone wants to make their own please feel free to <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/contact"><strong>contact us!</strong></a> While I was there I also snapped pics of the Gold's Factory workshop for your viewing pleasure! <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5356.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5356.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21680" title="DSCF5356" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5356.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5333.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5333.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21679" title="DSCF5333" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5333.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5342.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5342.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21681" title="DSCF5342" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5342.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5351.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5351.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21682" title="DSCF5351" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5351.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5352.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5352.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21683" title="DSCF5352" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5352.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5344.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5344.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21684" title="DSCF5344" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5344.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5347.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5347.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21685" title="DSCF5347" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5347.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5346.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5346.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21686" title="DSCF5346" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5346.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a><a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5363.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5363.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21687" title="DSCF5363" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5363.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5381.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5381.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21688" title="DSCF5381" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5381.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5341.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5341.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21689" title="DSCF5341" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5341.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="432" /></a> <a href="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5325.jpg"><img'>http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5325.jpg"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-21690" title="DSCF5325" src="http://www.golftoimpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/DSCF5325.jpg" alt="" width="648" height="972" /></a> Edit: 2 weeks later!! Got the finished wedges in today and they look amazing. Very happy with the way they turned out. As I had mentioned I decided to keep them clean with just the Gold's logo and dots to indicate the lofts. The Soft Black finish turned out better then expected! The shape I think is just perfect and the grind very handsome! These wedges have already been purchased by a lucky member!!

These are Craig's putters here... (the lucky and Hiro) http://www.golftoimpress.com/golds-factory-update-november-2012/

ah a motorcycle shop... I see. the paint will definitely hold up as they usually paint gas tanks and helmets like that which are exposed to the elements, Michael did the paint job add weight to the head? I would assume it would.

I like it! The top crown is very nice, the edges where it meets the satin sole is a bit rough but the design is cool!

I tried it, definitely strong lofts for a blade, it has a 23* 5 iron which is more than most distance cavity backs. The reason is, its aimed at the more premier or senior player, wanting to play a blade (it actually has quite a thin topline but the sole is not ultra thin and has a nice blunt leading edge). but also wanting distance. Dimensions as well are on the longer side ie longer from heel to toe with some offset. Quite forgiving and pretty good feeling... it is one of the Geotech's that is completely done in Japan, forged, grinded and finished hence the higher price over some of the other models. Here are some pics I took.

It appears to be a catalog type open model head custom grinded. The company is pretty much unknown, I've never heard of the grinder. SS400 is about the equivalent of S18C but that does not necessarily mean its good quality. The hardness rating is just softer. SS400 is apparently commonly used in construction as rolled carbon steel and other manufacturing... not so common in golf clubs... readily available type of carbon steel. I think I will just drop in his shop and check it out.

We want to but its difficult to stock clothes as most brands expect shops to pre order a substantial amount before launch... this makes it too difficult for us to carry, The clothes are amazing though and I can help anyone who wants to get ONOFF or anyother brand as a special order.

More launch... spin probably more actually considering its softer in the tip area by quite a bit.

As I had mentioned to Matt, we have already done this in the past... I circulated 3 Ryoma drivers globally last year and they all returned safe and sound. This included all around the US, Europe and throughout Asia. Complete sets is probably not the way to go because shipping costs a lot... for everyone. The best bet would be getting iron demos... as Matt said a 7 iron. This is the way it worked with the Ryomas: Members and customers contacted me directly and I managed the logistics by coordinating the clubs location and where it would go next because the truth is not everyone knows each other or communicates with each other but TSG is the common denominator. So yes I did in fact do all the tracking of the clubs and arranging of their courses... this could change if there are a lot of clubs out there. So for example I have a list of people wanting to try, members A B C D E F etc... currently member A has the demo. I let member A know that it will go next to member B and provide member A with member B's address. Member A ships to member B who will now have the demo for a week. Member C is someone new to the forum and has never bought from us before so as insurance I take a credit card deposit from Member C then let member B know its going to member C's address next. Once member C confirms with me he is done with the club and member D confirms receipt I cancel the card deposit. This is what I did with the 3 Ryomas which worked out fine. Now as I mentioned if we end up having 10+ different demos circulating it becomes a lot harder to manage and organize.

Now you should be able to... got a bit messed up.