nobmontana Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 After getting the RSF Prototype driver and the RS5 Fairway wood, I thought it would only be appropriate to pursue a near compete PRGR bag... So... last week I picked up a set of TR500 irons in pretty decent condition... They arrived at my doorsteps this morning and I took them out to the range after work with the stock DG S200 shafts... I was surprised at how forgiving it was for a set of forged irons as pure as they come. They also felt buttery soft but the shafts were too darn heavy for me. So my Ezone MB heads were removed from my Project X LZ 5.5 shafts this evening and they are going to be replaced with the TR500 heads tomorrow. These are going to be really sweet. This Secondary bag will consist of: DR: PRGR RSF Proto 🍀/ Loop GK 5W: PRGR RS5 5W / Loop FW6TS 4-PW: PRGR TR500 / Project X LZ AW/SW: Cleveland RTX4 Forged / Modus PT: Gold's Factory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 I can see that the lighting isn't great, but they do look soooo sexy. Can you compare them to your Ezone MB please Nob, usual things, size,shape, feel, sole etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted November 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Thanks Ian. Sure. here are the comparo's Toe to Heel Length: TR500 > EZone Sole Width: TR500 > EZone Top Line: TR500 > EZone Toe Shape: Ezone is pointier Offset: EZone > TR500 (maybe a perception thing but it looks that way to me) Feel: TR500 feels softer than EZone Forgiveness: TR500 > EZone TR500 on the left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bngolfer Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Lovely bag Noboru! The TR 500’s are so good looking. I had the ezone mb’s (Zodia) before and they are lovely too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Nice Nobs. The TR is definitely a classic. Not sur which would make the top 10 list between these and the ID BL but it would be close. Have you tried the 00 yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted November 20, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 The PRGR 00 look sweet for sure and being Miura made, I am certain that they feel heavenly too. The surprise with the TR500 in my first range session was that the balls flew straight or with a slight fade. My current gamers, the '12 X-Blade GR Forged from 2012 are very easy to draw perhaps because of the additional offset. Perhaps the lack of offset wit the TR500 are straightening my shots. but then again it might have been the DG S200 that affected the ball flight. My TR500 heads are now curing in the LZ 5.5 shafts. I may take them out for a range session tomorrow after my men's club round in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian-500 Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Great info nob. Thanks. The TR500 is a stunning looking iron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ian-500 said: Great info nob. Thanks. The TR500 is a stunning looking iron. 17 minutes ago, Ian-500 said: Great info nob. Thanks. The TR500 is a stunning looking iron. I was waiting Ian. Ilk with everything matching. I’m a sucker for making a bag of gear. I refuse to start on another one so seeing Nobs PRGR bag gives me great pleasure as I can live that bag though another’s eyes lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) I get you! A touch of offset never hurt anyone in the right place…. I just found with the P1 this is a good thing. If I want to play zero offset all I have to do is play open face fade. Offset or zero offset means Zero in small margins, in small margins of quality irons if you play the club for what it is. All you lose is distance by de lifting opening the face, not accuracy. Eye fit. Comfortable, hit, confident in the shot. they are all good….if they work for you then it’s just a different result in the mechanics of your set up. Edited November 20, 2021 by hutchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuistot Posted November 30, 2021 Report Share Posted November 30, 2021 Just curious how the PRGR bag and this build build is working for you. What driver have you settled on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 Nobs maybe beceause the heads have been flattened a smidge ? , have u checked that ?, i only say that bec i got a used set a few yrs ago from my pro source guy that were 2* flat , he said as most of the tr500s wud have been bought by A grade+ players who dont like to hook , that stood to reason. that set i got were quite noticeably flat to the naked eye , too flat for me, so i had them put back 1* even that small adjustment made a discernable difference to the eye at address. esp in the longer irons. ( 3/pw) oh btw........, in case u get tired of those NON JDM !!!!!!!! shafts, may i WHOLESOMELY reccommend you try the old NS SP red........................... and do those heads justice!!!!!!!!! those shafts, are so ABSOLUTELY, positively LIGHTS OUT!!!!!!!. im tempted to re do a bunch of irons with them and just play those going forwards, getting tired of muscling up each game with the blues and 130s , 125s are still my go to but i digress.., RED are lightish, 115ish g +/- with just the hint of workability with a mid balance, lower kick for an easier higher flight , and they play strong for a light shaft . why- o -why did NS stop making the SP range !?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted December 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, cuistot said: Just curious how the PRGR bag and this build build is working for you. What driver have you settled on? I've got two PRGR drivers that I can use with this set. '16 Tour Issue RS and a RSF Proto Single Clover I've shafted the '16 with a Tour AD PT High Mod 6S and the RSF Single Clover with a Loop GK. 5 Wood is RS5 with a Loop FW6TS ... TR500 irons 4-PW Wedges 50 & 56 Cleveland RTX4 Forged (JDM) Gold's Factory T102 Irons are shafted with Project X LZ 5.5 now but I don't think these are the shafts. Will be tinkering further. 🙂 Edited December 1, 2021 by nobmontana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted December 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 6 hours ago, supo said: Nobs maybe beceause the heads have been flattened a smidge ? , have u checked that ?, i only say that bec i got a used set a few yrs ago from my pro source guy that were 2* flat , he said as most of the tr500s wud have been bought by A grade+ players who dont like to hook , that stood to reason. that set i got were quite noticeably flat to the naked eye , too flat for me, so i had them put back 1* even that small adjustment made a discernable difference to the eye at address. esp in the longer irons. (3/pw) oh btw........, in case u get tired of those NON JDM !!!!!!!! shafts, may i WHOLESOMELY reccommend you try the old NS SP red........................... and do those heads justice!!!!!!!!! those shafts, are so ABSOLUTELY, positively LIGHTS OUT!!!!!!!. im tempted to re do a bunch of irons with them and just play those going forwards, getting tired of muscling up each game with the blues and 130s , 125s are still my go to but i digress.., RED are lightish, 115ish g +/- with just the hint of workability with a mid balance, lower kick for an easier higher flight , and they play strong for a light shaft .why- o -why did NS stop making the SP range !?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?! I don't think the heads have been bent. It's just the offset is so much less than what I have been playing lately. Slight adjustment was needed in my swing. With the GR forged I've been trying hard to not hit it left .... that same swing with the TR translates to hitting it to the right. When I go back to a more natural swing, the TR500 draws just right for me. So I am now rethinking about whether offset in irons helps me out or not. Project X shafts work well for me based on a fitting I did 2 years ago. With other shafts, I was not getting enough back spin. LZ gave me good back spin which helped me hit more straighter shots. On the other hand, I have a set of Monaco S sitting idle and I know how those work in TR500 since I've tried Cuistot's set a while ago which I believe came from you Supo. Exquisite feeling combo that thing was!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 hahah yes they prob did and they are a magnificent match esp in summer months . what ive found , is heavier harsher shafts seem to benefit softer ENDO heads like the tr500, EPON, IDBL nabla tour.. ESPECIALLY NABLA TOURS better than smoother shafts. im not really sure why but i find it so. shimada tour,, monacco,,Sp blue/orange/red. modus 125s DG! seem.. to have some play advanatge over say modus 120s. as for offset i get what u mean theres not a lot of it. ive put the tr500s next to the IDBL and the IDBL have less off set but are thicker, chunkier and a fuller punchier shot, the tr500s have just a milli more but u can notice it and the thinness of the blade and sole means u dont get the smidge more , i can hardly call it forgiveness, but forgiveness of the IDBL extra chunk. they are both not what id call small compact heads , they have pretty big surface area heel to toe but a crisped tr500 is a feeling something quite addicitive indeed , quite a bit more workable as well. actually.... just thinking about it, the TR500S are quite a bit easier to zing about if i want to , i can get them to draw a lot easier than the idbls, quite a lot more. i dont know about you but i call them cavity blades. bec they have the essense and play characteristits of blades but with that incredible cavity for just a hint more confidence at address with the fuller head size. ive said it before, IF i was restricted to say 2 sets of irons ONLY, these wud be one set, and t he others.ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh good god i have no idea what they cud be. epon aftour. IDBL masda mb yamah tours.................. ......, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted December 3, 2021 Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) heres a wee illustration of 3 heads with very minimal off set. from left: tr500 / IDBL / yamaha tour. THE 2 PRGRS share very similar head dimensions but the differences to the eye make a case to have both in play! they are actually not really a like at all to view or play i had a good look and yes the IDBLS have less off set by a whisker and u can see it at address. the yamahas are the most compact and chunky of the 3 and i think are the most dynamic of the 3 sets by a whicker over the tr500s. prob. bec the head is a bit smaller IMO. yea i dont think i cud go past these 3 sets for differnig conds. id play the tr500s on fast dry turf, in winter or short cropped buffalo. the IDBLS in the rain or wet lush tropical conds the yammy tours in just about everything.. funnily eough nobs they are my current fave play set bec they have your crazy cb limited in them and i will say , i dont think ive felt a nicer impact in a club. once again MR WIZRD the builder picked his mark 100% spot on to go with the yams. Edited December 3, 2021 by supo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted December 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 Thanks for the comparo pics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bngolfer Posted December 5, 2021 Report Share Posted December 5, 2021 I love the looks of all of those irons. Have played the Yamahas for 9 years and the IDBLs a bit. Much prefered the Yamahas though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted December 6, 2021 Report Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) Although the TR500s have been my most played club of the year by a ways , when i started to play the yam tours again , ive not got them out of the bag , i love looking down at that thicker head, a bit like the masda mbs which were my second most played irons , they too have a thicker top line prob more so than every other MB , it inspires confidence in my striking by looking at a thick top but ill reverse my thoughts on most dynamic CB , i think the TR500s are more so than the yams , they are more workable and easier to clip the ball to shape for my swing style. I played what is most prob one of , if not my last game of the winter season with the yams on sat and with those carbon shafts , it made it so silky sweet in the cold clear sunny skies ( 5*c) , the ground was frozen, the greens were so hard the ball bounced over the back TOO MANY TIMES!!! . in general the the ball was not flying , close on 20 yards less on t he drive than normal temps ,i cudnt get any flexability to my bod to get the ball further so the extra soft feel of the carbon made it so much nicer to hit and no elbow stingers! I think i cud have used a bit more help to cut the ball high and stop it more which the TR500s do masterfully. some may call these dilemas , first world problems........., Edited December 6, 2021 by supo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted January 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 My TR500 just got SP Reds. They feel really good. The SP Reds give a sharper feel through impact compared to a Modus 120. I got Regular flex and they actually work well for me. I don't feel the need for a Stiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 ahhhh... indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John sears Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 I have prgr nabla tour wedges and am very happy... endo btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted January 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 Update on my "mostly" PRGR bag.... RS5 fairway replaced with Epic Speed 4w. Unfortunate but I enjoy hitting the Cally more. TR500 irons are very smooth and soft at impact. May have to do a head to head against the GR Forged. TR500 I feel has a smaller sweet spot compared to the Tourstage GR Forged. I lose more distance with the TR when I miss the center compared to the GR. I need to go hunt down some PRGR Wedges. DR: PRGR RSF Proto 🍀/ Loop GK 4W: Callaway Epic Speed / Loop FW6TS 4-PW: PRGR TR500 / NS Super Peening Red AW/SW: Cleveland RTX4 Forged / NS Super Peening Red PT: Gold's Factory T102 Prototype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supo Posted January 15, 2022 Report Share Posted January 15, 2022 so soooooo many good prgr wedges. great match for them is the LED. they wont look "wrong" as a set match . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobmontana Posted January 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 Yes the LED definitely have my interest. Getting harder to find, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted January 16, 2022 Report Share Posted January 16, 2022 On 1/15/2022 at 9:14 AM, nobmontana said: DR: PRGR RSF Proto 🍀/ Loop GK 4W: Callaway Epic Speed / Loop FW6TS 4-PW: PRGR TR500 / NS Super Peening Red AW/SW: Cleveland RTX4 Forged / NS Super Peening Red PT: Gold's Factory T102 Prototype This has shaped up to be a good set up mate. Will this be the 2022 bag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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