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I wasn't implying anything about OzGolf members as a collective, just that I could have a fresh start. But if the foo sh its HB

Uh oh they're on to me... Time to switch forums... Maybe OzGolf or something will have me...

Interestingly, where there is passion sometimes it is just lust… Hence BST….

I believe Matrix is the heaviest option for graphite, all others kind of cap at <115g range...

I have played several graphite iron shafts for at least 30 rounds each while the Roddio I have hit a couple of buckets and one round with. All with different heads though, so ascertaining head vs shaft characteristic is challenging... TS 905 MB with Crazy Epon Personal with UST IS980/990 RomaRo Pro with Attas Tour 110 '09 ONOFF forged with Roddio i10 Miura BB with Fuji 115i(no longer my irons) So far, my favorite is the RomaRo/Attas combo based on the piercing trajectory and feel of the combo. The ONOFF/Roddio launch way too high for me, but they were an experiment more so to see if I would like the Roddio i10 in SX, these will become an AUS visitor set. There is a toss up between the Crazy and UST IS shafts. I think the Crazy might be higher launching as I believe the 905 heads have a higher CG as compared to the Personals, both have tremendous amount of feel to them though. The TS are a much crisper head as well but Supo has said in the past too, they are a great iron head… The Miura/Fuji combo probably would probably be ahead of the Roddio/ONOFF combo in overall playability based on trajectory and workability of the overall combo. Not sure shaft to shaft if the Fuji are better or not. I also have manipulated the shafts in varying degrees as to how the respective clubs have been built. The Crazy, I purchased as an X Flex and ended up soft stepping as I was not able to get the normal back spin on approach shots with my irons. The UST IS shafts, in the 3-6 are hard stepped and tipped 1/2" while the 7-P are X flexes. The Tour Attas are a straight up X flex install. My set of Roddio are way off kilter for me build wise as I have not visited my fitter with them to adjust lie angle but they play 1/2" short for me and 1-1.5 clubs lengths shy in distance. We are past the comment about shaft consistency, especially in the higher end shafts. The main complaint these days, beyond cost, is the communication on contact. I think the shafts still communicate massive amounts of info, just a different dialect to traditional steel. They definitely cut down on the pain associated with poor contact, especially in cold weather. I can absolutely tell where on the face I make contact and how clean the contact was etc... So long as I can still afford it and I can get them built within the range of acceptability to spec, reason for this thread, I am graphite only. Even considering the stupidly expensive Quadra putter shaft...

The butt weighting isn't done to achieve a SW it helps my hands get back into the slot. Am a little hesitant to increase it too much...

So I am getting a set of the Tour Irons and I am a graphite iron shaft player. The graphite shaft options that they offer, and most JDM shaft brands for that matter, have a max playing length of 38.5" for the 5-iron. Also on the swing weight side the heads are a single weight with only negligible amounts in tolerances. Next, I already add ~44 grams of weight in the butt of the shaft and can't add much more. Finally, it is materially cheaper for me to purchase the clubs shafted with graphite by the mfg than it is to have the club rebuilt after. My spec is ~D4 iron, 38.5" 5 iron... The two primary concerns I have are: That the shaft will play as if it was soft stepped when used at maximum length, even looser with a heavier head. The swing weight goes to D7ish if played at my spec length of 38.5" So here is my quandary... I know I can play it shorter and adjust the lie angle to account for the change, distance wise I would playing the 5-iron as a 6-iron, etc… Alternately, I can just risk it and have them built to my spec and let the SW fall where it will. Or I can play somewhere in the middle... Thoughts/recommendations?

They do offer a few options as an upgrade. Diamana Thump and GD Tour AD in various weights/flexes...

Wow, $350 for $700 shaft upgrade to what Bogey's sold for. Great price in my opinion...

Nice putter, congrats.,,

Is that an exhaustive list T?

Modus is a great shaft, I made the move to graphite for joint relief and to help bucket list objective to die broke... I still play a heavier graphite and dump ~44 grams of additional weight in the butt of my clubs so it isn't saving weight. Just minimizing vibrations that make it to my hands and arms...

Looked into QFE previously. Has the same length challenge that Roddio has. Also, if I am gonna do it after market, then everything is game. Am hoping I can get Roddio installed by Yam as it makes the whole endeavor cheaper. That unless T doesn't charge for disassembly and reassembly...

That is what I thought. It needs a shim but should fit. Guess I thought wrong as One thing I know is T knows way more about this stuff than I...

No worries, just giving you a hard time… Same should be said about the dig on DaleUK... Not sure what the tips on Roddio are, for some reason taper came to mind based on earlier conversations with T. But I am not even close to infallible so… Have heard mixed reviews on the Ozik so have been reluctant to try.

I think SW here meant SwingWeight not Sand Wedge, but I could be mistaken... Great repost Bogey... :)

Thanks for that… Am still discussing with T what can be done. The shafts on that impeccable set of ONOFFs are still too short for me and I do not want to soft step. The set I traded with your for was to see if I liked the Roddio shaft before pursuing the rest of the effort involved in getting the Yamahas built. Roddio just might not be in the cards for me... Need to find out what Yamaha is willing to do, as they do offer the Roddio on the non Tour version but not on the Tour. Am guessing that both GD Tour AD and Diamana Thump iron shafts offer both Parallel and Taper tip options while Roddio only offers taper tip. Also, the hosel to ground measurements on the Yamaha will determine how close to my spec I can get as the 5 iron shaft uncut is 38". I have reserved a set built with Modus 3 shafts. The shafts all be summarily pulled and sold. Then the clubs will be built using some graphite shaft. All the ones offered have the same length limitation so I might end up getting another set of the Tour Attas but much is TBD...

Google translate of the their page re the tour model: (°) 21 24 27 30 34 38 42 46 loft (°) 60 60.25 60.5 60.75 61 61.5 62 62.5 lie angle Soft iron forging structure (S20C) Shaft Dynamic Gold (S200) Shaft weight (g) 118 Tone yuan shaft (Inches) 38.5 38 37.5 37 36.5 36 35.5 35 club length D2 balance Club weight (g) 418 424 430 437 444 451 459 467 Tour Velvet rubber grip containing 51g X Impress logo (With M60 · back line) <grip VTYM-50-BK> This set price ○ 6 (# 5 ~ PW) ¥ 126,000 (¥ 120,000 before tax) ○ Option: This 4 ¥ 21,000 / # <# 3>, (¥ 20,000 before tax) ※ Because of the design value, the number of the display there is a possibility of change. ※ numbers and individual product display can have some errors. ◎ <# 3> is (will be special orders and order) are special orders. ◎ conforms to the rules of the new groove 2010. ◎ It is nickel chrome plating all count. ※ (including custom orders) 2,000 limit set. ◎ Club Release Date: November 23, Made in JAPAN ◎ 2012

Aesthetically, a channel is a channel. They look similar. One would hope, beyond the face milling there is some incremental technology/knowledge incorporated into the non visual characteristics...

http://ebook.yamaha.com/v2/catalog/?58009#0

Even with the Thump at +.5" from standard you at +1" will still be playing at D6 - D7 based on the fitting guide... Good luck with your choice...

I wouldn't worry much about the distance. If you know your distances and can be accurate with the clubs you need to hit, then it is moot… I think I would be afraid to play in your group as while I might be longer I would lose most every hole...

I am 6'4" and play a 38.5" 5 iron too. Gonna give them a try this year. But what surprises me is that you say you cannot play anything shorter. Your 6-P are all shorter than that. It comes down to a combination of the 3 Ls. Also, I think the length that you can buy is a mfg limit not a real limit on the club… I am intending to have mine rebuilt with other shafts and longer, so time will tell...

Like the leading and trailing edge relief in the grind. Also it looks like the Non-Tour has lower CG based on the slope angle of the muscle... Looking forward to them. Hope that the flatter stock lie doesn't limit my ability to get a 62* lie angle on the 5 iron... Personally am thinking Roddio i10s for the beauties...

According to the ProShop, yes...