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yes .i was freaked out when i first saw them but i soon learned to love them my sakamotos are this way heavily reverse offset , dont ask me the nos , tho havnt a clue and trying to get infofrom him is verging on impossible. and my kyoei rafw07s continue this style , they are massively offf set. and likewise i also found my draws are alot less favourable than a cut. i also discovered by slightly de-lofting the club face i find i hit the balls miles lower than less off set irons. which is why i took them back home to the links courses. perfect match. they take some getting used to for sure, but they work nicely.

the epon head is the better head in my view , i like the shape , the feel and the concealment of 460 ccs. the stinger is def a factor its so tight and non side biased which i prefer. , together they are incredible. as for feel , i actually like the yamaha better than the 703. but i love the look of the TS ltd and i want it for specific purpose.

i can add a cpl of deets tp this topic now bec............. i pulled the trigeur , i have one. im playing on sat ill post a cpl of piccys of it, its awsome looking! 9.5* with a fubuki alpha 70x and a white golf pride sticky grip. all in all, its in the final for "the most lovely looking club" ever. 45.25 x 323 x d3 i used to own the 703 and i didnt mind it ,i used it solidly for 2 weeks back home played 10 rounds with it. the only thing i found was it was a little clumpish, not realy pear, not really round , it was nice and soild but was more for just propelling balls forward than moving them about willy nilly. distance was good ,feel was good, but juts looked a littel bit cumbersome for my taste. didnt realy "get me" the limited tho . as soon as u pick it up looks fantastic , smaller pear shaped , like its made for driving. big range sesshy last night with it on the new improved ( finally working) sega swing system installed at the DR so u can watch every shot in slow mo, 1/4 speed 1/8 speed or real time, 2 views back, front. and a swing speed monitor. i was averaging 47.6 m/s with a range of 45 - 49.8 the limited delivers a low piercing really long shot. it took me a few balls to get used to the shape and the feel., the first cpl went skyrocketing high and right with terrible swings. then i chocked down a bit on it turned a cpl over and got it wired. resulting in really long running shots ,the ball didnt go str8 up , it didnt balloon. it went pretty darn straight with a slight tail off at the end. i was imagining i was at NSW in the wind, and played the course a cpl of times , this is what this club is perfect for, splitting tight fairways and gettign a mile of role. and hitting bleow the puff . i tried a few high bombs but still found it to go a lot lower than what iwas trying to achieve. i m taking it out on sat to play so ill have a much better understanding with real balls in real conditions. but im really liking what i have here, its DEFINATLY for the good consistant driver who can control the ball well. the feel is superb, the weight suits perfectly and its custom made for windy days and bad conditions, i will say tho, NOTHING tops the epon 101, diamana 70x stinger combo yet. .......................... (yet)

agreed,, their stuff isnt the easiest to hit , the driver is nigh on impossible . and its crazy expensive. u get a lot of it in used bins here but its doesnt really sell very well and resell is atrocious. i ve used thier wedges and their driver and im not a fan. theres so much more to choose from.

THIS is pretty close to the vehicle id want to step out of at narita gc ,with my playing partner the stig, 2 ginza hosties , swing coah and driver. oh and from boot my Louis V golf bag naturally..,! one word...., young jonnie shacho. hahahh un -believeable.

ordering now.

theres one on yahoo jp......,

yea a little..., i think its made to play a little longer,46 inch......, i believe. its for the slower swinger looking for more distance. my SS is 48+ and its not for my SS. my club builder games it and hes 60 get the ball out there to 270 ish with this. but he def siad no go to me. i use the 65 sx and the 75 xs

yea i thought that might be a toughy. ok well im going in un aided.

hahah it might just have ur name on it soon C,, depending on what i see tonight.., but you prob wont want the ultimate shaft . combo ........., i gotta change it agn ,its too darn stiff the quadra 75 sx fw. in this head just needs arnie or robocop to play it and it wud be the ultimte weapon. .( im not small or quaint fwg) and i have to belt the bejesus out of it , my 5w matrix x-con 6 -big bertha 18* "best club in the world " got rebagged yest at shishido hills with a stunning performance agn..., its the most unlikely club and its def shorter than the egg. but its sooooooooooooooo easy to hit. actually ,this might be the winner winner chicken dinner combo here. the stig and i came up with this last night over our 5th chu-hi the egg ......, and the roddio si6 or 7.. i have a RoyC oll with a roddio mi6 , brilliant feeling club , brilliant , just a little to high launching for my taste tho. its plenty long too. not like the egg nothing is. but when u need some launch this is the guy. the egg im thinking might like this shat. when i find one.... ,

love that on-off bag. its a beauty. been seriously contempalting that there putter .., miyoshi says its a good un , very tempted.......,

chaps, i want to know if anyones used this driver, and how it compares to the 703 standard model. ive used the std model one but am realy keen to know abt the 4000 piece limited version. any joy fellas?

hahah it already has.., the 3 wood is now the egg ,and the driver is the epon 101. irons unchanging , ,wedges depend upon the lies. yea i didnt see the demo print on the base its so light. only when i took the club i to get reshafted. cheeky mofo didnt tell me, was wondering why i cud get this so cheap. lets say it was about half of what the are normally, i dont care, its still sensational. the new ones are out ! im going into ebisu golf tonight to check them out. hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

ye haaaaaaaa, one mine! the 70x looks to have my name all over it.

hahah tks wait till i put the new one up i think ive found nirvana...,

well i did the double, put a tipped quadra fire express 65 in the 15* and the 75XS fw in the 18*. had a big range session and a game today, played both clubs. the qaudra brought the flight down by a way in both and the weight of the 5w is now quite heavy. the dispersion is now really tight! the spoon is long , cant say it was noticeably longer than b4.but it doesnt need to be , prob bec, my swing speed isnt fast enough to adequately take advantage of this club to its maximum degree. but i can def say its stiffer tighter and lower. the 18* is longer for sure and noticeably lower. the added weight made me choke down on the shaft a bit and that added to the swing speed i needed to laungh this baby. id say its now longer by 15 yards than i was hitting previously. its taken the use of this out of 5 wood distance shots and it now sits somewhere like a 16* club. with a higher launch, perfect for meduim length par 5s. problem is, i now have to go full bore at the shot every time i cant just smooth it out here or it goes nowhere. left me in a quandry as its not an every day club now, the big bertha is def that club. this is for long courses or windy days. the feel still isnt much chop.its pretty bad but agn its where it ends up thats important. "specific" days this set up. itll be bagged every time , but alongside my other 3w and 5w, depending on the conditions. ill say its totally point and shoot for both clubs. and the 5w is def the easier of the 2 to hit. the spoon took the driver out of play on a few holes today with great effect. need to hit it a few more times. ithink i now have the ferrari of fws. pretty sure they need to be learned how to be driven properly b4 they perform at thier best. likewise these fws. ................,itll take some time to get properly acquainted unless i pick up another 10m/s really quickly.

was at the range with my iphone last week and took a few quick snaps that didnt turn out to bad. thought id throw them up.

i swore i was not going to buy any more clubs this yr , i really, really did , but what can u do when something like this pops up? i played with it on sunday , thought it might be a little on the extreme side at first, maybe a touch too stiff. but was not in the slightest. was absolutely perfect. at address it reminds me of my old favourite, the cally erc3 but massively roided up and a thousand times cooler. the whole black face-shafts combo thing is a little offputting at firstsight , the norm being to contrast head /shaft and all, but thats took one shot to get over.! hit it straight but off the toe about 275 , ha ! this is farrrrrrrrrrrrrr..en goood. that epon feel is just as prevelant in their irons. as this driver , its a thumping soft feel , the ball feels like its stuck to the face for a second. then slingshotted onwards. its 9.5* but the launch is more mid than uber low. and oodles of carry no bias left/ right , and moveability was good, def a lot stiffer than the 60 s i have in the yonex. my misses were block pushes right which makes sense.i guess. i didnt snap anything , so i was very confident to go really hard at it. you must do actually, it can take it all . it plays 45.5 x d4 x 324 i thought the extra length and weight might be troublesome , but i was gripping down an inch and it suited it perfectly. although one round is not enough to judge it properly yet . i can say with curious caution this will be a beauty and the head shape suits perfectly . its not really pear not really rounded it hides it 460 cc well , looks compact for its size. not sure if ill use in on tight tracks a lot , the added length erks me. but its a bomber! im told this is a limited edition head.(?) all black. certianly the best looking club i own (and i own a lot) and it plays to its looks. simlilar feel like to the yamaha but def softer. TS Ggolfer ur dead right , its in the final of best feeling ever.! sorry the piccys didnt turn out as well as id hoped the all balck thing kills it a bit.

im weening myself away.............slowly.

ok, i found a 3w 15* with a stock m-43 shaft and its darn good. i was smoking some monsters yesterday, my thoughts are i really dont need to change it, but after reading this thread most of u guys def recomend changing it, i ddint find it to be sloppy really, i cud hit some little draws but mostly i was hitting straight and it didnt really baloon.and was going a mile it amkes u laugh its just not right. anyway i bought a quadra fire 75s FW which id earmarked for the royal collection . there is defianatl y a huge difference in feel between these two clubs. and i prefer the RC s feel by mile, BUT how can u possible ignore the length u can get with the egg? and the straightness ? , ALL par 5s are now in pretty much in play with a good drive. question.........., Do i put this shaft in the prgr ? gocchin i know uve hit this. what do u think???

cmon stick the 46d red in play i wanna hear ur view on it.

guys i have access to two of these with 2 of the the best set ups ive ever seen, but they sure aint cheap. im thinking of trading most of my beloved collection in for this pair. both af-102 heads one with a with a diamana stinger 70x ....., 9.5* 324 x d5 x 45 crzy longest yard 02 x shaft ...., 10.5* 318 x d2.5 x 45 im dribbling over these, they are on hold for me, BUT i d like some advice from anyone whos hit this head. i have used the 3 wood and didint like it at all, thast why im balking i get the impression i should like them very much they sit beautifully and i like the look at address hows the distance, and feel of these? anything negative i shud know about, i gotta pull the trigeur by tomorrow.

+1 HERE FOR SURE..., i have 3 models, last yrs red and plus and this yrs red, all in 9* the easiset one to hit is without doubt last yrs red 9* with a roddio pentacross 6wba, thast a draw biased club i find. even tho its 9* its still high launching. this driver has got to be in the final for the easiset drivers to hit. the new model is better , the XD is a class up on last yrs red i think , its still super easy to hit, but with a longer and lower flight, and a littel less tingy. the old plus 46d is much lower laucnhing and penetrating. it looks like this yrs 46P version they have made a little shallower with more face to hit , which would help a lot ,as the older one can be a little on the difficult side to hit consistantly i find. when u get it tho, it goes ! and get the upgraded roddio shafts they are superb.

you are so right.., i bought the 18* 5 wood to test, i cant find this used in a 3w for under $400 !! . i changed the shaft to the graphite design md 7x.. . ive used this shaft in a varierty of fairway wood heads ,and its sensational for this. , very tingy, mid-high launching, u can move it around nicely and u get run, (well not in the 5 w) like the diamana blue ,but with more feel. this club is huge i was gobsmacked , id guess its like 15-20 yards over my trusty big bertha /ozic 5 wood. and its easier to hit whcih i dint think was possible. ! i cant wait to find a 3w and put my quadra fire 65 s in it. i dont know what im going to do with all my others if the 3w plays anything like this . im so impressed by this 5w its the best/easiest club ive hit this yr. the only draw back , but its not really ,is that horrid sound. after i see where the ball lands , botheredsville what it sounds like! its almost like a normal 3w, just a lot higher flight. why i didnt listen to this forum months ago ill never know!

sure..., i play off 3.5 .. im 181cms... 105 kilo...slow tempo... ss gets to 47-49 (about 105-110) i think that equates to , just changing my swing a bit trying to get more rounded i was coming over the top too much, met a great teacher a few months ago , been a big help. its made a differnce in accuarcy and flight, but length is down some . im trying to go from a fade bias to a draw bias, its working slowly , thats why im favouring the draw biased clubs at moment, thats really imprinting a good thought in my head, i was a cricketer ,which is horrendous for a golf swing, everything in cricket ur taught is get on the front foot ,so in golf my hips slide massively, thast the hardest thing im having trouble countering. but, good drives still get out towards the 300 mark. average about 270ish i guess. shingo katayama has been in the top japanese pros , for the last few yrs. till now.., he moved across to on-off last yr i think. daiwa made his signature shaft, he plays it 46.75 inch , they released either 150 or 450 to the market ..,not sure, but not many any way. and now a cpl have started popping up in second hand bins ,they go immediatly they turn up, and still sell for for about 70 00 with a head or 50 with out. shingos the one that wears the funny cowboy hats. was in the mix on day 4 at the masters this yr or last i seem to remember. i bought one to see what it was like and was gobsmacked. ive had a standing order to call me anytime one turns up and 3 have in the last month i bought them all ,my buds got one i got 2 . im a shaft freak, play everything . i kinda keep to a trend of heads so i get a fair minds eye view of how they all play , right now im bang into yamaha yonex and daiwa. tokyo rips for used stuff in brilliant condition. and you get a good buy back guarantee so u can sell back to the shop for a limited loss if u so chose, , my down stairs looks like a premium japanse golf shop. just loaded with joy. i move the ones i wont use much agn, and keep most others, mates buy em, i re do them, keep tinkering, a club hos work is never done! its agreat hobby. i love it.