Vegaman

Ok, this is a bit creepy! I have been considering buying the flat backs, I live in Thailand (you too?) and I have JUST posted a topic on how difficult it is to get the yururis fitting my specs..Since you are not as tall as I am, did you get them with a flattened lie?

Sounds good..BUT, I really like the lok of those Yururis! :tsg_smilie_smile2: I might, just might get them and bend'em. Even if its just the 1.5 to 2 degrees they recommend. Even though I would really like to get them already bent, at least the 2 degrees. Im not sure I know somebody I can trust to bend the heads here in Phuket, so I might have to go to Bangkok to have it done, which is a bit of a drag.. Ive been working on getting my hands a bit lower through the hitting area anyway, so the 2 degrees might suffice. Another thing, why is it that we have to bend the irons all the time anyway? Cant they fix it during production? At the forging stage or rather straight after, when the steel is still a bit hot and before finish is done? For cast clubs I guess they have to do that, with different molds or something, because the steel is too brittle to bend safely. Im almost shocked that even Endo, ( for their epon stuff) which is such a High Tech manufacturer cant do it at the production stage, and limits the lie adjustability to a paltry 1.5 degrees. Amazing.

Yeah, Epon may be more flexible. But Im neither American live in America or have a US address. Anyway, I really like the Yururis, and also the Kyoeis will see what I will do next. Im VERY surpirsed Mizuno messed up by the way, thought they were pretty "serious" even though they are as big as they are. Too bad.

Hello all Im having some real problems here..Are your irons stock when it somes to lie? Ive noticed that most JDM irons are about 1 degree flatter than US/EU market stuff..Ive been fitted with a lie board last summer and need 3 degrees upright, and that was with a stock 6 iron at 62.5 degrees, whereas a typical JDM 6 iron is 61.5 or even 61..I have been through a bit of a swing change, keeping my hands lower through impact, so i might get away with 3 degrees up from JDM spec. And no, Im not some freak. Im 192cm tall (around 6.4?) with maybe not monkey long arms, but not unusually short ones either.. I wanna buy some nice blades, been ready to pull the trigger on the yururi flat backs is satin. Ok, I know that pure blades are a bit flatter "by design" but to not even be able to get it done to the max (in yururis case 1.5 degrees) before sending them to a customer? Ive been in contact with Tario and I cant order Yururis with an upright lie..Almost no brand apparently, which is weird since i thought that buying JDM "speicalist stuff" was all about "custom specs" and flexibility..Tarios hands are tied apparently, Yururi refuses do do any adjustments, got it confirmed in a mail from them. They said I might be able to bend them 1.5 degree, but of course that would void all future claims/warranty..I think its ridiculous that I can go on any discount website and order OEM clubs with lie up or down bla bla, but a specialist small operation japanese clubmaker cant!? TSGs main focus seems to be the north american market, and to not being able to get clubs lie adjusted is very 1985 in my book..I guess all pros playing yururi is born looking identical, like some weird army of twins. To sum up: I cant buy ANY forged blades that are my spec on TSG! I have to bend stuff myself..Its like buying an armani suit and being told to finish up the arm length myself, I pay EXTRA for what most people would consider to be a luxury choice, to get LESS service.. Isnt it weird? Christian

Cant wait to read these reviews! Will you post photos as well?

Wow, some really hot clubs you got going threre! Like some sort of smorgasboard hu?

From what i understand its quite common among Low handicap and pro players to have flatter lies in the wedges. This to avoid having the heel dig in especially from the rough, and making it easier to lay the face open..Im not sure about this, but thats what I have heard several times. It seems that many pros follow the formula of: Flatter lie than most in the driver, (more workable/anti hook) more often than not upright and slightly longer than standard in the irons (because of their often tall, erect and "athletic" posture/swing and flat lie again in the wedges.

Wow, really smooth looking club! I like the iron look, my current hybrid is an old cobra and that has the "hybrid" look. I need to get something mor iron-y looking. My problem is that my iron s are one inch longer than standard, so a 2-iron Hybrid looking like this would end up at 40+ inches..Just too long somehow.

How about durability? The newer graphite shafts are getting ever more glass particles in them, and every time you read about high end graphite shafts, its mentioned how "brittle" and sensitive they are..I had a set of Wilsons with graphite shafts in stiff when I started out and kept breaking them just above the hosel, first the PW and then the 7 iron if I remember correctly. That is, all the clubs you hit "down" with..Or at least the clubs I hit down with. im a pretty aggressive with my short irons, like to hit hard punch shots and Im pretty sure Graphite would break after a year or 2, especially if I went to the range a lot, no matter how good quality it is. Actually, the better the quality of the graphite the quicker it might break? Since better means more delicate, with thinner walls, when it comes to graphite shafts? I also had a Callaway set before with stiff shafts and i broke those in the short irons too, and no, Im not a huge digger, but I do take a nice pretty long divot with my short irons. Its no surprise that one of the few male pros hitting graphite is the rather weak bodied Colin Montgomerie that has a swing almost totally dependent on smooth timing. And it might not be a total accident that he looks at least 10 years older than he really is? :atsg_smilie_pot:

Wow, you have the mold? I guess you really know this driver then, thanks. I was thinking along the same lines, that it might be a case of flash over substance since its not easy to locate this head, and the wedges and irons seem to have real cult following, but not the driver. And maybe the yururi operation isnt exactly huge and its takes a lot more effort and cost to develop a decent driver, I dont know..I cant even find a Yururi homepage to check lie, materials and so on. Do they even have a website?

Ahh, interesting! I play the blue super peenings in X in my irons. One inch longer too..Always liked the feel with mid and short irons, precise and smooth. But the long irons, in my case very long long-irons due toe the added length are a bit too demanding and are really tough when the swing is not "on", even a bit harsh feeling at times..From what iron do you start with the orange peenings?

Aha, ok.. So how about distance and forgiveness? I get the feeling they put a lot of effort and research into their irons and wedges and not so much the driver? Does anybody know where its made? Materials?

There is a lot of yururi gear here on TSG, but not their driver or FW. Are the woods not on the same level as the wedges and irons? The Bazooka head looks pretty nice, did anybody try it?

I think Vega is Kyoei's "House brand", a bit similar to what Epon is for Endo. Kyoei also forges a lot of "open" models for others brands to grind and shape. But I think they also do some more advanded milled forged stuff, like the Zestaim line. Miura, from what I understand, does not offer large scale production for other brands, just the occasional custom set (like the much discussed Tiger Nike blades). And I think Miura doesnt even forge theis own stuff at all, its mostly forged in china first and then finished in Japan? So Kyoei is a "real" forger with their own factory, grading their own steel billets and are doing one-piece forgings. Miura does not have its own factory, do 2-piece clubs using their proprietary "spin-weld" process, and is more a designer/grinder and subcontract the actual forging process..More like Scratch I would say. Correct me if Im wrong.

Just weird..

I have seen some newer Honma drivers that look pretty good, just the other day I waggled the TW914 and that seemed like more of a hard hitters club, and I really liked the look of it. The shaft felt very solid as well. But usually the Honma stuff is ultralight, with wet noodle shafts. Even when the shaft is rated as "stiff" it feel more like "ladies" flex. A seller inside the Honma shop in Bangkok actually told me that their focus is "wealthy senior asian golfers" and that it would be a terrible "loss of face" to play a Ladies or Senior flex shaft, and so the have to put at least an "R" or better still an "S" so they can feel powerful and good about themselves. Isnt there a pretty popular japanese shaft maker that offers a "royal flex" shaft? Talk about kidding oneself. I guess thats also why I always see asian senior guys (including the local thai "Big faces") coming to Phuket for some golf insisting on playing from the "pro" tees as they are called here, that is the back tees, even though they cant hit driver farther than I hit a 6-iron, and i dont even play from the back tees most of the time. Katana is even worse, they have R, R2, S, S1, S2 flexes... So for a certain wealthy group of players here in Asia, its all about face and so you have certain brands that are catering to this particular need. Even though they also offer some other stuff, I am very impressed with the look, inventiveness and tech of those new Honma wedges for example. Id like to try one of those. And the TW914 driver too

The more back spin you have, the easier it is to hit it straight, hence more forgiveness if you use a higher lofted friver. This is common basic knowledge. Its also the reason why its easier to hit a 3 wood straighter than a driver (together with the slightly shorter shaft), as well as the difference between a 7 iron and a 3 iron. Backspin equals strightness, but also less distance because of a much higher ball flight, and no roll. That is, if you have enough swingspeed of course. If you hit 2 identical drivers, one with 8 degrees of loft and the other with 11, I can guarantee that the 11 will be easie to hit straight, and depending on your swing speed, either longer or shorter than the 8 degree head. If you dont have enough swingspeed to "activate" a low lofted head you wont get it of the ground, and it will be low bullets. More backspin also minimizes the risk of a tilting axis, hence a straighter, less slicing/hooking shot..The ball is actually tilted spinning "sideways", other wise you could not fade, slice, draw or hook the ball.

Wow, really clean and pure looking stuff. Cant wait for the other pics.

Are you guys at TSG going to test the KD-01 driver? It looks amazing! From looking at the specs (medium shallow face, no low lofts) it doesnt exactly fit me, but Im still mesmerized by it, can see myself open that box that the head comes in, ha ha. One thing though, it "bugs" me that the non-conforming version gets the "premium" SP700 face and the conforming 6-4 Ti. Why is this so? Any specific reason? I normally dont let myself get caught up too much with how a club looks, but in this case Im totally seduced!

Yes, thats right. But also balooning and no roll-out..

I have heard these comments before, the same goes for the R9. Very userfriendly but extremely "spinny"..

Great reading! I play the Kusala Black 72 in Xstiff with a Vega head. A very stable, "serious" feeling shaft indeed..But I thought the new Srixon came with the Miyazaki Dromos shaft as standard? That shaft is "spineless", specially made for adjustable heads..Otherwise the Dromos looks, specwise, very similar to the Kusala ones.. Great review! The Ryoma...Its getting rave reviews everywhere! Havent read anything negative from anybody so far..

Hi Do you still have it?

Ok, thanks

Ah, Yeah, I can see that now..In my defense I was only looking at the Dman driver head, and that has no red colour on it, and looks pretty clean..PLUS, Nano Power is hardly a brand that is generally known to be the high end of high end brands...Like EPON. I guess you are refering to my criticism of the sloppy cavity in the new EPONs, right? Thats ok, its just that when I think of EPON I think of a totally flawless product in every respect since its hardly a budget brand..And so I couldnt help but noticing the scruffy looking cavity, thats all. And I havent seen the EPONs in person, so I based that on the photos here on the forum. And it seems Im the only one that can actually see it anyway, which is weird. Or maybe I am weird!