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I'm surprised this is actually available to the public, 450k!

It's got 3 screens inside. one is tinted behind the glass in the wall, the other is a big one where they are usually mounted above the cockpit. the last one is in the bedroom. My guess is 1 mill as well.

Here's where I do agree, That currently there is no graphite iron shaft that fits the PGA players requirements as well as steel on Tour. Steel is cheap and does the job just fine. I totally agree that steel features a tighter dispersion vs graphite currently on the market but graphite can be made to have a dispersion that is equal or even tighter than steel today. It just simply has not been done yet. In the aerospace industry they produce carbon composites that are stronger and more rigid than steel. Combined with nano tech can create specific shapes at different speeds. Graphite golf shafts may not be superior today but material vs material there is no doubt graphite trumps steel. Currently there is no real market for heavy and stiff graphite for the better player. My take on it is that the segment is so minuscule it makes no sense to produce, market, and release them. I think that changing the golf consumers perception around this would be an up hill battle. Convincing the masses to purchase a much more expensive product that does only slightly better than cheaper steel would be nearly impossible. The designs and technology need to improve making graphite iron shafts much better as well as the price coming down. Lets pretend for a bit that graphite was as cheap as steel and so was the manufacturing+labor involved. And it had 50-75% market share. I think it would be pushed to the very forefront by every shaft company. It just isn't at this point and it may never be. It could be totally overkill for golf, who knows as so much relies on the swing. My own personal experience is that the Matrix Program 130's are outstanding. played them in two different iron sets. good feel and almost as tight as steel. I've since moved on to the CBi-80 103-110g 80T shafts, the feel and distance is solid and so is the dispersion. No one will buy them at 400 bucks per shaft though. It was Crazy building the best graphite iron shaft they could make with what they have. They never intended to make money with it.

I understand and appreciate your participation during your time here. I think you will be a valuable member at WRX or the many other forum's on the web. Fairways and greens to you sir and good luck in the game of life.

nooo.. multi piece are not junk, they are just as good as single piece just for a different type of player... like me...:) A single one piece club can only be weighted by tungsten insert or mass in a certain area. Which is cool and all but doesn't provide enough size or parameter weighting to have it make a vast difference in improving forgiveness. multi piece is better technology, single piece is more purest. lets not discriminate as different players have different desires. ** BTW I set your posts to moderator approval as it's starting to become more about being right than supporting our members ** FYI - YOUR most recent purchase in the TSG Proshop the Yonex Zero iron is a multi piece "forged S25C Carbon body with a high strength SAE spring steel face."

It holds completely. And this isn't "my" argument. it is simply the science of golf club design. So let's not debate this with me because you can do no convincing on my side. All you need to do is reference 99% of the OEM's. Call them if you have to with your questions. Also heating hammering and heating is more about feel not forgiveness. It's a great but very ancient process. This is about supporting above_beyond and shambles. I have no agenda to be right in this matter. The proof is clear for everyone to see. Simply take a look at how the top companies are producing their more forgiving golf clubs. Sorry guy's if you don't trust the market, myself, gocchin. In fact Tom Wishon is sold on this to, read his book and look at his designs. Maybe it would support you if I quote him: - Thinner, Beta-Titanium face design allows even more weight to be removed from the face than is possible with a 6/4 Ti face to be positioned on the toe and heel areas to increase the MOI of the head for even better off-center hit performance - Slightly oversize head shape and profile automatically increases the MOI over more traditional iron head sizes to add even more to the off-center hit capability - face profile allows a larger face area to increase the size of the Beta-Ti face and the ability of the face to flex more to offer a higher COR for the highest possible ball velocity To that I would also like to add you can't produce an oversized 1 piece solid forged head because it's waaaaay to heavy. If it didn't work or wasn't worth the cost it wouldn't be industry standard, they wouldn't invest millions into this technology. Just do your homework gents its golf club design 101.

There's really no real assembly required when it comes to single piece casting or forging. In regards to multi piece designs: - Hollow heads are known to add forgiveness - Inside a hollow head you can add extra and internal perimeter weighting or use weight to manipulate the CG location - The face they usually connect to the body may feature higher COR or properties that make it more forgiving outside of that I really don't know why else, It's actually a more expensive process as well. It costs more for Epon to produce the 502 and 702 vs the 302 because of the multi piece design.

one off but im sure they would make one for enough money. Yea i know it's not everyones cup of tea, I don't know why I love the blend of new and old so much.

murdered out is a term for black on black on black.

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Notice that better players clubs for just about every brand are one piece built while the more forgiving models are all 2 piece or more. Callaway, Honma, Yamaha, Epon, PRGR, Srixon, XXIO, Yonex, Mizuno, Maruman, PING, etc... It's not a coincidence that 99% of brands do this. The two piece structure's such as a soft forged S20 or S25C body with say a SAE8655 high repulsion face are not only more forgiving but the faces are even hotter. Some brands use 3 piece or more as well. Multi piece or multi piece cavity design is more forgiving. This is a common fact to the designers. Similar to undercut cavity designs creating more forgiveness. In our Proshop you can read to compare the differences between the MB/Players CB irons vs more forgiving clubs. Its mentioned many times in the GTI blog as well. You may also go to Golf Galaxy, Edwin Watts, and TGW online and do the same description reading, to see that its becoming industry standard. In regards to Miura, I know I sound like a Miura hater at times and I will openly say we do sell a lot of it. They can only produce 1 piece. They don't produce their own toolings as it needs to be outsourced, Spin welded heads are not produced in a 2 piece design anywhere in Japan, They don't do chem or plasma welding to attach the various parts, so thats why I say there is a lack of technology or know how to create multi piece designs. Not bashing on them as same goes for Kyoei and the majority of Himeji factories as well. It takes some major knowledge to accomplish this. Himeji is very mom and pop's style, It's not all high tech like Endo or some of the Chinese factories.

Hey Lennie, Thanks for the honest feedback. It may just need the perfect shaft for you. In the beginning I struggled with the stock stiff shaft in the V-Spec. going right super high. I just slapped in the muziik bangvoo, waiting for the wind to die down before giving we a run.

Gotcha I actually don't like that either when they sand blast or in this case sand spray the top line like that. Were on the same page it doesn't suit my eye. I just don't think its obnoxious though.

What's false? I'd like to hear your opinion. What model game improvement iron has Miura ever made? The closest is the PP-9003 but the shape has gotsta go, fat on the bottom heel and too much offset. Titleist VG3, ONOFF Forged 2011, Yamaha V-Forged, TourStage 705 Type M or S and Fourteen 710 or 510. Those are all compact to mid sized cavity backs with little offset and a good amount of forgiveness.

For me today this is the order of my lust. TourStage 905 Limited CB's Yururi KM-0107 Titleist VG3 Forged PRGR id BL Forged Yamaha V-Forged or Tour Model Epon AF302 Custom Finish/Grind Mizuno MP-58 Royal Collection BBD Tour VS Forged now depending on how player, shape, and features you desire I would make my selection within that. Some are more blade like than others.

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I love the poll options! Japanese single malt, Master Sasaya took me to a scotch bar where i tried Nikka Yoichi. I googled it and it's 20 years. it was great!! Also love Yamazaki but really I'm not a scotch snob but I do require good Vodka in my drinks! I'd like to try islay. It's just dangerous to have these in my cupboard A very different Chris would be posting in these forums

The Fourteen's are solid! The 62* was a great addition to their line up. Also the 58 thru 60 are available in M & H grinds. Most PGA tour players are rocking these at D4/D5.5 which is a hair lighter than the stock D6 swing swing weight. Most popular shaft is DGS400 on tour.

Would I buy these personally? No but IMO from above it's better than many. It's a sub 6mm head, most of us here play that range or bigger. Players CB's for reference are in the 5.5 zone your KZG blades are for sure much thinner. In regards to the taper on the toe It's not common but also not so rare. In fact the ONOFF Forged has that feature as well, It does have a purpose. The broken in 3 parts I don't get it. The pic you linked us to is at a very different angle, looks like a muscle back as well. I would classify it as a thin top line, low offset, and Japanese neck style and it looks pretty good. Keep in mind I have a fixed ranged zoom lens which makes the head look much bigger than it actually is. Here is another image for you ( again zoomed way in )

Miura for game improvement? I think you got it the other way around. For players irons they make good stuff. For game improvement not a chance. They simply don't have the know how or technology to achieve forgiveness outside of grinding a 1 piece head for the higher handicap golfer. It takes 2 pieces ideally and noxon should be looking at Titleist VG3, Yamaha V-Forged, RC Tour Forged, and others along those lines. PM or Email myself or Tario we would need to run down some stats to make a proper suggestion.

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I think graphite trumps steel based on experience. I hit it longer and straighter. The long irons get roll forward and short irons stop and drop. Same set with steel a push goes out to the right much more and pulls go more left. It's as if graphite returns the head to square a bit better. I like steel alot too though. Feel is improved with graphite for me as well. I've hit a lot of graphite for many rounds, Roddio I-10's, Crazy LY, Crazy CB80 limiteds, Quadra's, Thumps. I'm sold on graphite! I do not buy what the worlds best players play is the best. It's pure marketing when it comes to that.

do tell, what do you see in the top line?

IMO black faces feel a bit more firm.