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No they are not the same. Tario helped partially design the grindworks MB which was influenced/copied by his knowledge of the SEVEN MB. Grindworks/Chujo was not even a thought when the SEVEN MBs were made. Originally they were called Chujo Craft but the investor Kamui Pro pulled out and so they rebranded it to Grindworks. Logo is a play off of the website nippon.com . The Grindworks is mass produced and pressed by Endo. Its flaw is imo the face shape, everything else is nice about it. The SEVEN MB is forged by a co called Oichi then the back face is CNC milled by Kitada, then the heads are ground by Shingawa-sans son, then sent back to Kitada for engravings, then finished by Kyoshin who also finishes Miura's irons. There you have the scoops!

There is a 1 day validation period on new members so any posts done in the first 24 hours dont show. - Saqra not so good, hollow, bad paint fill and finish. I literally couldnt sell the sets i had and gave them away. This club is 4 years old. - Grindworks is good, endo forged nice soft feel and forgiving for a blade.

The S.E Asia regional distributor is now being established. They are a company called Nippon Golf Tech based out of Malaysia and will have product shortly. They will supply the top shops in Singapore as well sir.

Im sorry no sir they only made 4-PW. TSG can do any of the usual finishes on them, black mirror, copper, soft black etc.. these are all done aftermarket. best feeling is the raw grain black. Noboru and Chiromikey have hit these already in black boron. In raw black they are even softer.

Based on standard margins if we had dealers these would cost 525 per head. We are selling them at 350 per head by cutting out the dealers. Our cost is over 200 per head. In the golf world my cost is insane and the margin is small. I have many to sell before I pay off my cad,cam,rps,setup fees so by the 3rd product run I should be out of the red. Isnt this refreshing? knowing a brands cost and our reasoning behind our pricing. I need to grow the brand to increase my volume to either make more money or lower the cost to the consumer.

Driving Iron in China Putter made in China Driver made in China Ginrei is outsourced but still in Japan The other models are made in Japan but they are open model blanks. My suggestion is do not pay 350 per head for open model blanks. You can buy original designs for much less. Reason why dealers love Itobori and promote them is because profit margin is huge yet cost is low.

This UT head is made in China and stamped "made in Japan" on the sole. Even if he means the finishing touches were done in Japan this is not right.

You may want the craftsman world version as the standard one is oversized with offset and a chunky neck transition. I know this can be fixed by custom order but I have not seen those custom ones in hand. I have only seen the stock version and know you would not like it.

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Sets are being sent to both R&A and USGA next week. The grooves are conforming no doubt so it will pass.

Here you have it first pics of the new Kyoei Blade and its a stunner especially in hand. Today we are going into the product then our next blog post will be about the history of Tamaki Sakamoto and the great story behind Kyoei Factory. The official release date of the new Kyoei MB is today, TSG is now shipping sets of 4-PW in one of two standard finishes. The first is a smooth polished chrome mirror while the second is a raw grain black dye finish. Kyoei is starting their own house label with a single product which is a tried and proven design that combines a classic shape with modern influences. Kyoei is also offering a variety of custom finishes that are special order like the above which is in black nickel. The second photo in this blog post shoes a matte soft gray finish. In coming months TSG will be highlighting more of these in our marketing. We have been testing these blades for some time now and can say with certainty that the sole grind is special. Kyoei calls this their 5 cut sole which we found worked perfectly with golfers that have a steep downward blow and a semi shallow decent. I think more brands should follow Kyoei's lead in creating sole designs that work for both types of players. There is something about the raw grain black finish that makes people smile. It will wear beautifully starting with the impact spot and sole areas that make contact with the ground. They also feel very soft. Its hard to choose between the two standard options. Usually we are not fans of chrome mirror but after seeing the Kyoei blade in this finish it was hard to resist so I ordered my personal set this way. In another blog post we will show in hand photos vs these studio pictures. In hand they are some of the most stunning blades I have ever seen, something about its simplicity and sharp edges give it a very clean and sharp appearance. In the below photo we have a chart that shows the face progression numbers's which would make any purist player happy. Those numbers translate into near zero offset. 6.0FP to some is also known as onset. I have yet to find very many irons with this straight of a neck and combine that with its razor thin top line and five cut sole and we have an iron that embodies both the future and the past. Kyoei is not claming big distance or forgiveness with this club its meant to put the player in touch with the DNA of the brand. It is designed to be an introduction to the capabilities of Kyoei Golf and help people understand how important this company is to the Japan Golf Industry. I will save the history of the family and factory for our next blog post as it will be a long one. For now just focus on this beautiful blade. The new Kyoei Blade retails at 175 per head and is sold 4-PW only at the moment. Now shipping to our customers at TourSpecGolf - (Click Here)

That is hard to judge because experiences vary with player, shaft used etc.. I don't think they are anything like either in terms of feel or performance. The SEVENs for its size are very forgiving and better balanced than both. All 3 irons are excellent. Feel - I have not hit the new Kuros but hear they are soft, the 302s are one of my favorite feeling cavity backs, Seven CB is a little firmer than the 302 and the past Kuro but center struck feel better and more rewarding to me. not softer just better. outside of center they have a very consistent vibration that is very unique and feels hot. The MB I'm talking about is the SEVEN X Shinagawa people really like it. That is CNC + hand grind. Modart does not use the pure tempered process and they also feel completely different, most of that is due to design. Not better or worse just different. The Modarts feel firmer but still good. The SEVENs technically should be priced higher than the Modarts due to the tempering but if we did that they would be inaccessible to many. We cut out the shops and sell direct to the consumer and reduce the price using what the shops would usually rake in. Something that has bothered me lately is more JDM brands jack up their retail prices to increase their own and the distributors margins. This gets them more support from shops because the shop makes a killing. I will use Itobori as an example because they are the worse, they have a huge markup from manufacturing cost because they are prettying up open model blanks. This is a bad deal for the customer yet great deal for the distributors as they will naturally endorse any brand if they are making money. In a more common setup regional distributors sometimes take 20-30% and dealers take 50% so the customer gets F'd. Think about that for a bit... This means your paying a lot for a product that didn't cost much to make. SEVEN is the opposite of that. Because TSG sells direct to the consumer we will make our money, we don't need to jank the customer. Shops will not want to sell SEVEN because there is not much profit in it for them which means more value for our clients. If people like our products we will sell more thus increasing our volume and lowering our costs so our incentive becomes making great products that sell not the cheapest product we can charge the most for. Because of our CAD, CAM, RPS costs SEVEN will not make money for a while but the customer will get better quality and value for their money. Itobori - a head that retails for 350 and costs less than 40 to make. SEVEN - a head that retails for 350 and costs 200-230 to make. Harsh example but it puts it into perspective.

ha-na-na? ha and ba are very close with that abbreviation mark thingie right?

These are 1 piece forged heads with traditional lofts while the 703 and PXG XF are multi piece with strong lofts. The 703 and PXG will be longer and more forgiving club vs club than the Seven CB and MCB. That said the Maruman NX Shuttle Iron, PRGR Super Egg, Yamaha UD+ will crush any Epon or PXG if your looking for forgiveness and distance. The Sevens were produced with a few goals in mind: - They must be made in Japan - They must be higher quality than any other brand - They must have very low offset - The shape must rival brands like Titleist, Bridgestone, Dunlop - The CGs must be progressive with optimal locations chosen by cad and tested by human - It must be a 1 piece forged head for feel This is higher quality than Endo and I can say that with confidence. But the iron you choose will depend on what your preferences are. If your preferences match the iron you choose then you will be happiest. So maybe its Seven, maybe its PXG or Epon its about what you want.

Thanks guys, the CB and MCB are the start of a big jump in SEVENs quality. Eventually all seven clubs will be made by this same manufacturer in Japan except the MB as I don't want to mess with that. If anyone has questions about how they are made, costs, comparisons to brands like PXG, Epon and Miura please ask. We are very confident in these.

Chome Mirror w/ silver cavity paint:

Thank you, as you can tell Its pretty obvious i dont like Epon, its the history we have. The product is fantastic so lets seperate that from my feelings about the brand. I can go on and on about this so ill zip it now. Not watered down, P3s are good, most of their products are killer. The look well too much text for me and kinda confusing with the branding but still very cool in satin. I take it back on the head weights it was the length that makes them a light SW at 38" they are fine. but 62* lie on the driver... No clue what they are doing. This reminds me of LFD.

Because i am bias, thats the truth. All humans have bias. so dont let it rub you the wrong way. What kind of feedback are you looking for? When I rant people get insight and dont have to agree.

Introducing the New SEVEN CB! Made with an entirely new design using new materials and manufactured 100% in Japan. We suggest you have a closer look zoom in so you can see the quality is unlike any other. By using Japanese 5 Axis milling machines with specialized software we were able to create the highest quality cavity back the golf world has ever seen. SEVEN is also boasting the highest manufacturing cost per head with their intention to cut out middle man keeping the retail price as low as possible thus giving the consumer the best product they can buy. Completely 360NC milled from a solid block of forged steel where as other high end clubs only CNC the back cavity of the head and not the shape the new SEVEN CB is 100% milled from hosel to toe. We want you to compare these to see for yourself that no other brands equal the precision and quality that the new SEVEN CB entails. SEVEN is also utilizing 3D-CG programming to ensure the center of gravity locations are at the optimal positioning for the best performance possible. Many big OEMs use CAD to assist in CG placement but because this is a fully CNC made head we are able to better maximize ball speeds, launch, and forgiveness. Two versions exist the original which features milling marks everywhere on the body (see below) as well as a hand polished version that lightly removes milling marks except in the cavity and on the face (see above). No grinding is done whatsoever to dictate the shape of this club. The shape is flawless and perfectly consistent with no deviation between sets. The tolerance is the tightest of any 1 piece head made thanks to the quality of the CNC programming and machinery. SEVEN has also taken this club above and beyond by incorporating whats called Pure Tempered Technology. PTT makes the club firmer in certain areas for improved spin performance and feel this proprietary tempering process is started at 850 degrees for 4 hours then cools down to 500 degrees in a specialized vacuum atmosphere. The above is what we feel is the perfect view from address. The offset/face progression numbers are exactly what golfers want: 4.5/5.0/5.5 very few clubs have this little offset and this would be equal or even less offset than even the smallest blades. The top line is thin but in perfect proportion to the body and shape, we have also implemented a clear top blade style which is why you dont see bead blast on the top line. The grooves are milled not pressed, the entire face has the tightest milling while the neck transition also has a light mill to show off how well this head is made. The toe extends past the top line not boxed or tear drop but in between for the perfect profile from all angles. Simply put your looking at the best cavity back money can buy. SEVEN has also produced a set matching gap wedge (see below) This is important as many golfers have a slight distance gap between the PW and a traditional blade AW. This is a big deal and we highly suggest adding it to your order. SEVEN has produced the base set as 5-PW with optional #4 and AW. Below the specs, notice the lofts are pretty traditional unlike most irons on the market today the F.P (offset) is extremely little and the head weights ideal to produce the recommended swing weight for most players. The New SEVEN CB retails at $350 per head and while this is still considered very expensive each head cost more than $200 to make and that isn't including cad, heat treatment and design fee's. Simply put these are highest quality irons money can buy for now. The New SEVEN CB is now in the TSG ProShop

Just look at the chart with Modus 105s your at D0.5 if thats good for you then great. Standard is also 37.25 on the #5 so if you bring it up to 38" I think your fine on SW.

Its ok they don't either.

Full skinny in the blog with pics right here:

Whats interesting is that the difference between a high vs low kick point is only about 1"