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I would bet the R flex would feel better and play better for you. I spoke to Kim Braly in person and he said the C Taper was designed to fit only about 5% of golfers. Interesting it has such a following. Personally they didn't work for me.

Maybe even 1 flex.

Steve, Which model are you playing? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

I watch the Quadra site religiously. Guess what? New shafts posted. Hopefully Gocchin can chime in. Driver - Fire Express Max Express WBQ 65 and 75g UT - 70 and 100g shafts Putter - PT130 I am so excited!!

I can take pictures of the Tour irons if you want some. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Yamaha irons. Check out the non Tour as the Tour is sold out. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Excellent choice for both. The Proto is top notch and I really enjoy mine. What flex did you go with? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

I agree with everything said. My original post was my thoughts on how ego can cloud the decision to buy the right flex and how I came to see the light. I am amazed how many players I see that swing like they are power lifters jerking a heavy weight. I don't see the same action with the pros. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Contact me if you want a pulled setvof 90s. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

I know that irons are considered precision instruments and many would recommend a stiffer shaft rather than a weaker shaft. However, I find that is such a fine line and a shaft I don't need to step on to get it to load and perform is my best bet. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

One of the most talked about subjects here on TSG is shaft flex. Everyone has an opinion. I can't imagine how many thousands of dollars are wasted without proper fitting and learning our own true swing characteristics. I have been guilty of letting ego affect my flex choices. I have learned to research the shaft profiles as well as the flex. Fortunately, I have made great choices over the past three years. I recall 4 years ago Tourspecgolfer telling me about an informal study done I. Florida where professionals were given clubs with Shaft flexes covered over. In most cases they hit the softer shaft better. It lead to the idea to play the softest shaft you can control. That points the finger back at the swing and not at the shafts. I know that I have a tendency to muscle most things in life. It feels manly and powerful. But I have learned that leads to inconsistent results. My swing is no different. If I go 85%, it becomes predictable. So I have been choosing shafts based on that idea. What fits me at 85%? I tossed the ego aside, and have stepped down in flex. The results are better scores due to more predictable shots, less fatigue, etc. My ego is now fueled by better scores and not testosterone. I see so many friends immediately grabbed clubs and shafts that are too stout for them. Not that they can't hit them, but they need to work too hard every time. They can't do it consistently. This weekend I had a friend hit my Akira fw woods with a regular shaft. These shafts are good up to about 100mph swing and he swings around 115. He is a great tee to green golfer with one of the most stable and solid swings I have played with. He was not only crushing the ball, but his control was very good. He commented about both feel and distance. Boy was he surprised when he looked at the flex. This is also the same guy that I fit into a Quadra Proto in S flex. Charts indicate this may be too soft but his spot on swing works well with it. Obviously tempo and transition needs to be considered. But if you watch the pros, do you see them jerking like you buddies do at the course? They really have smooth transitions however have power due to the correct swing mechanics and don't seem to force the load on the shafts like so many amateurs. So now I am 1/2 - 1 flex lower than what my ego says. I am having fun. Idrive has alluded to his similar thoughts and it would be interesting for him and others to chime in. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

A friend of mine who is a 6 HC and extremely long hitter hit my Akira clubs this weekend. He was hitting the 5w around 245 on the fly. He also hit the 3 and 7 with similar results. He was shocked as he has been playing without FW for a long time. As a side note, Imagine his face when I showed him the shafts were regular flex and he had no problem with control. His swing is very stable and consistent. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Played on Saturday and had a great iron day. I am having fun with these. My iron play hasn't been very good for 2 seasons but I am happy with what I am experiencing with these. I didn't ship well and need some work from 60 yards in but I am very happy with everything else. The Yamaha irons are superb and play so so well. IMO these are the best since 2008. Just as good but possibly better. So much easier to hit and better feel that 2009-2011. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

I continue to play the 3, 5, 7 woods. They are firmly in the bag and maybe will never leave. I love to find shots which I need to hit these. I have had more memorable shots with these clubs as any in recent memory. So so perfect.

Just put them up for sale and whatever they sell for is the value. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

OK so found some acceptable weather and time to play 18 with these. As you know, I have extensive playing time with Yamaha Tour irons dating back to 2008. I have owned each year since. When I first saw pictures of the 2012, I was reminded of the simple cavity of the 2008 model. The design looked meaty and led me to believe that the 2012 model may see the feel and forgiveness of the famed 2008. The answer is yes. I knew immediately on the first shot. Guys - Let me cut to the chase. These are the finest irons Yamaha has ever made. Looks - small head, nice thin topline but not razor thin. Great square shape. The PW is very square. Nothing I can find wrong here. Perfect for me. Feel - Dead solid muted feel. No harshness here at all. Perfect shots remind me of the Epon AF301. Off center shots are still solid and smooth. Gone is any clickiness in previous models. Maybe the best feeling iron I have owned. I can't wait to feel these when it is 90 degrees. Forgiveness - My kind of iron. I will take all the forgiveness I can get. For their size, they are very forgiving. Sole - Today was damp and the fairways soft but not mushy. Performed great. Spin - They spin more than previous models. The micro x pattern seems to work. Distance - Too cold to judge now. To some it up, I am not sure how they could be better. I was always sad I had sold the 2008s, but I am so happy to have these. Time will tell, but my gut tells me these may be the winner. If you passed on buying a set of these, I am sorry as you missed what may be one of the most enjoyable iron experiences. The shafts that came with mine are the NS950s in stiff. In the past I have not had much luck with this model, but they seem to work in these heads. Very very straight. I wonder how the non Tour model stacks up. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

I am gaming mine Sunday for the first time,. I will report back. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

Great. Also consider Akira M215

He would be best to answer about the head. I have several 2009 Tour heads and they are silky smooth. LMK is you need one. Epon had aways been a soft feel. I have had PRGR, Kamui, Ryoma, etc. I do agree with idrive that shafts matter, but haven't experienced a hard head.

Interesting. What model of Yamaha felt hard? What shaft was in it?

No surprise I would choose Yamaha. Their line doesn't have any real weakness except the putter. Performance, looks, feel, and choices for different players are second to none. Once their clubs make it in my bag, they tend to stay for a long time. That says a lot. Epon I second. Then there may be a distant third. PRGR gets a little goofy in there designs for me so I would put OnOff in third.

Mine came with the NS1050s. Not sure if I will keep them as I am hoping to replace maybe with graphite. I am not sure if they are assembled at Epon or Yamaha.

My set arrived last week, but the weather has been terrible. Today I may brave it all and go to the range. At first look, these are less busy looking in person than pictures. Similar in looks from the top to previous years. I haven't measured but maybe a touch more compact. The X Marks are the face are cool looking. The cavity is obviously engineered with subtle nuances that appear to be functional. Overall they appear to be all business and not full of gimmicks. Lets pray for the weather to improve.

Robb, Do you know if you have a tendency to release early? Handsy?

The game of shaft roulette is fun and expensive isn't it? I would recommend sticking with what you have and play it for a few weeks. Let yourself settle into the setup and then see what you have. Then you can find a shaft that does what you want as you have a solid baseline. In any case, it seems as you are looking for big distance gains over the G20 which may not be possible. In the world of drivers, 10 yards is massive as the technology in the heads really has been maximized for distance. The shaft is where it is at. Many also could benefit from choosing the proper ball for the combo. Many times a ball works better with one driver than another. Think launch and spin.