Vegaman

I thought it was cool to see Henrik Stenson was using the Legacy Black irons when he won the /Tour Championship/FEDEX cup

Sure. But calling something a Prototype is akin to calling soemthing a limited edition. It's for sure not "a name", it's a description of what kind of product it is, and so should NOT be used in this manner. It's calling a product something that it really isn't. It's borderline misleading, even illegal. Sure, anybody on TSG would know about the "prototype disease" but that can't be the case with everybody that buys JDM clubs, can it?

I know who you mean, that japanese guy that owns the shop right? He has got some cool stuff, but always really rather overpriced. No, I've never hit anything from The Mystery. There's a 460 head too. And some rather nice looking blades

There is an old thread started by Tsupo here http://forum.tourspecgolf.com/topic/32263-the-mystery-irons-3-pw/

The Mystery is the full name of the brand. From what i have heard it's very small father-son operation in Japan. This brand is pretty popluar and famous among golfers in Thailand. It's kind of a cult brand, very expensive stuff. I've seen many of their heads in real life and they look really good actually, generally they make pretty deep faced, forged, bladey kind of stuff. Seems they mainly target the lo hcp/pro market. Kinda like Crazy actually

I really don't understand why so many japanese brands seem to love the word"prototype"? Does that mean these are just a pre-production heads that are being tested before the "production" clubs will go on sale? No, didn't think so

The 458 looks better than the 430. Seems the "4" series are the ones looking really good these days, the ones that carry the heritage of red, sleek and beautiful Ferraris. Other models aren't ugly but can look a bit odd at times. Not sure about the stripes on the Speciale

What's the loft on the driver?

I've seen this before and remember the clean look..Seems high quality

Going from 45 1/2 to 44, and using the same head, you'd need a much heavier shaft to keep the SW constant. I'd guess in the 80-85 gram range?

Me too. Get the feeling these are made by knowledgeable enthusiasts for some reason..

I think this wedge looks fantastic. Looks like a really solid design

Great initiative Chris! And generous and fun

I remember being a bit fascinated with these irons a cuople of years ago. Look really good. Had forgotten about them actually, probably pretty rare these days.

Was going to buy a set, but unusually didn't get any response mid-correspondence about getting them. Now probably will go for something else for my next CB's

Does he like a bit heavier feel? Otherwise I'd say NS Pro 950 Stiff flex if he wants a low kickpoint. Plus, he's not getting any younger...

Well, it really LOOKS incredibly good..

I almost don't want to mention it because of the "controversy" about them, but the Superio Mugio in X is 78 grams and 2.0 degrees torque. It's also (allegedly) 80T..I have NOT hit this shaft myself, but I have testimonials from people that play it and also from the clubfitter I use that sells them, and they apparently play very stiff to flex. One low hcp guy I spoke to swings really hard and he went with S in the Mugio, he normally plays at least X in other shafts. The S weighs 75 grams and is 2.2 torque, the X 78/2.0. I haven't thought of Superio in a long while, but reading your first sentence the Mugio immediately came to mind, with that low low torque and stiffness.

Great great great looking bag! Cool, highest quality throughout

I really liket he look of these irons.

Here is a pretty comprehensive explanation from Tom Wishon. : Over the past 2 yrs we have done a LOT of work in this area of understanding exactly HOW the shaft bends and under what conditions for each golfer. I really do believe that we have a good level of understanding about this to be able to explain and predict shaft performance. The droop bending of the shaft is caused initially by the force of the transition move the golfer makes between the end of the backswing and the beginning of the downswing. When the club is at the top of the backswing, the golfer has rotated the club and shaft about 90 degrees open from the position the club was in at the address position. This means that the 12 o'clock/6 o'clock plane of the shaft is pretty much lined up so that plane is straight up/down with respect to the ground. Thus when the golfer starts the club down, the weight of the head presents resistance to this reversed movement of the club to start the downswing. That causes the shaft to bend in a "toe up" position initially. The amount of bending from the transition is determined by three things - 1) the transition force of the golfer 2) the overall stiffness of the shaft compared to the golfer's transition force, 3) the weight of the head. As the club now starts down toward the ball, the golfer has to rotate the club back around as he turns his body back toward the target. In a good golf swing as you know, the golfer is able to keep accelerating the club and retain the angle between the arms and the shaft (wrist-hinge angle). If this happens, the golfer is now applying a good amount of radial acceleration (AKA tangential acceleration) all through the downswing and this keeps a bending force on the shaft. As the club gets closer to impact, there comes a time when the golfer has to unhinge the wrist-hinge angle to straighten out the club so it can hit the ball. when this release happens, now you have centrifugal force being applied to the club in addition to the radial acceleration. Now also remember, during this time in the downswing, the club has been rotated back around toward being square at impact. Thus if the golfer is still applying a good deal of radial acceleration to the club when they release the wrist-hinge and also start applying the centrifugal force, these forces now act on the weight of the head to now cause bending of the shaft in a droop manner (toe down bending). This happens because the head reacts to the force by trying to get its CG in line with the axis of the shaft, which thus causes the toe down bending just prior to impact. And again, the amount of droop is determined by 1) amount of radial acceleration and centrifugal force applied by the golfer, 2) stiffness design of the shaft in relation to those forces, 3) weight of the head, 4) distance that the CG of the head is away from the centerline of the shaft. Now also remember, all of this applies for the golfer with good swing fundamentals, so that means any golfer with a good swing (acceleration on the downswing for a longer time + later release of the wrist hinge) will have a tendency to show more shaft droop (and more shaft forward bending as well). Golfers who unhinge the wrists early are applying their centrifugal force before the club has rotated back around and are losing their radial acceleration force early on the downswing. In this case the shaft will have done its droop and forward bending way before impact such that these bending actions will dissipate before the club actually gets to the ball. Thus golfers with an early swing and loss of acceleration on the downswing will not see as much droop or forward bending of the shaft right before impact.

Cant find it now, but Ive seen many videos where the droop is very pronounced, couple that with 99% of players having higher hands through the hitting area = lie angle up. Plus, the longer the shaft, the more it will droop. You'd probably see considerable droop in a steel shaft too, if it was 45 inches long.

Is that really enough? Maybe Mjr should get one of the old Crazy SLY Ultra Hard flex shafts?

The blade is forged by Kyoei.

Looking at all the tech, design effort, finish and quality shaft, this wedge is reasonably priced I would say. Especially compared to quite a number of simple designs, albeit with nice grinds, that are priced as high or even higher than the Bold.